COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

[the wopster]

From what I've seen of American stats and from American doctors not enough to make that sort of difference, bear in mind that most immuno-compromosed people will probably be taking other precautions, whilst the anti vaxxors have a massive overlap with those who won't wear masks or take any other precautions.

IIRC the difference is very noticeable at the voting district/area level where the Republican leaning areas are both much more likely to have more unvaccinated people, and much higher covid hospitalisations and deaths, with the bigger the proportion of the vote being republican the bigger the difference

More brain dead trump supporters making a point that natural selection really works

 

[Dave]

IIRC the difference is very noticeable at the voting district/area level where the Republican leaning areas are both much more likely to have more unvaccinated people, and much higher covid hospitalisations and deaths, with the bigger the proportion of the vote being republican the bigger the difference

At the same time, heavily R leaning areas tend to have higher obesity / diabetes rates and other comorbidity factors. You can slice the data to the nth degree, but the D/R lean is a convenient heuristic for a number of variables.

 

[D.P.]

At the same time, heavily R leaning areas tend to have higher obesity / diabetes rates and other comorbidity factors. You can slice the data to the nth degree, but the D/R lean is a convenient heuristic for a number of variables.

ypu seem to be missing the point. no one is saying your political leanings changes your risk.

It is a simple gcat tha being properly vacinated will reduce your chances of death by a factor of 30 or more. And republicans are much less likely to be fully vaccinated

The fact that republican voters tend to be leds healthy merely magnified the difference mortality rates.

Their behavioural difference further adds mortality risk since they are fsr less likely to wear masks, socially distance, work from home, test, stay quarantined.

 

[Johno please?]

Still flogging that dead horse? no Boris and chums are not to blame, they did everything right (sarcasm)

I never said they did everything right.

 

[ltron]

I wish people would drop this attitude of the "waaaaah the governments meant to keep me safe!!!111" Your safety is your responsiblity, no one elses.

Besides, shouldnt you be blaming the chinese government, seeing as it came their obsession with ******* around with animals, or a lab.....

Who is closing down or greatly scaling back our surveillance system and removing free testing? If we can't accurately assess the risks then we can't make an informed choice. Personal responsibility will not cut it in this case and that's the fault of the government.

 

[ltron]

The government have removed *all* coronavirus measures and told us all it's our responsibility. If this is to work I wish they would leave the following "personal, resoponsible" measures for us:

1) Working from home. If our employers allow it. Stop the "get back to the office". We all know the motives here
2) Provision of free or subsidised LFT and PCR tests so we can make the informed decisions
3) Improve sick pay (yeah I'm being vague) to stop people choosing between infecting others at work as opposed to going cold/hungry
4) Stop the government rhetoric of "masks do nothing". Being friends is the best mitigation apparently
5) Continued financial support of the monitoring of variants and the ONS study
6) Full publication of the lessons learnt and what they are putting in place to ensure they are indeed learnt
7) Give parents a chance by trying to do at least something about school infection rates (ventillation?)
8) Continuation of the vaccination programme

So regardless of failures of the government past, there are still ongoing failures.

As usual, they think it's gone away when it patently has not.

ETA, it's unlikely the current virus flavour will kill you (if you've been sensible and had your jabs or you are young and fit enough not to care), but it will certainly ruin your holiday.

The government haven't educated the public on mask quality let alone provided high quality masks (even in some cases to those most at risk like NHS workers). Their strategy is 'see no evil, hear no evil' and they have totally discounted Long Covid from their calculations which is a ticking time bomb of long term disability and chronic illness.

By the way, from that list you'd do a much better job. You know the score.

 

[ltron]

Shanghai has been put into a full lockdown again, 20+ million people I think I heard them say.

China really are going to have a hard time with this zero Covid policy now that the virus is entrenched in the rest of the world.

It's a pity they didn't manage to keep it in China given what a mess some countries made of it. I was hoping it would be like SARS 1 in that regard.

 

[Rroff]

Hospital trends overall still isn't coming down - though it looks like it is just over the current peak - but the floor is still rising. Cases seems largely to be coming down due to reduced testing rather than reduced prevalence.

Anecdotally it seems at least around here the reinfection interval is becoming shorter, though protection against severity is holding up so far, but protection against infection and transmission, even after 3x jabs + natural infection, seems to wane quickly. I hope we aren't building up a big longer term problem in that respect - one of my colleagues has come down with heart problems after their second bout of it with the doctors suggesting it is infection scarring.

 

[the wopster]

Hospital trends overall still isn't coming down - though it looks like it is just over the current peak - but the floor is still rising. Cases seems largely to be coming down due to reduced testing rather than reduced prevalence.

Anecdotally it seems at least around here the reinfection interval is becoming shorter, though protection against severity is holding up so far, but protection against infection and transmission, even after 3x jabs + natural infection, seems to wane quickly. I hope we aren't building up a big longer term problem in that respect - one of my colleagues has come down with heart problems after their second bout of it with the doctors suggesting it is infection scarring.

We’re about to become a country/world of constant chronic illness, because of our government’s stupidity and shortsightedness. So much of the country’s workforce is going to be absent through chronic reoccurring infections.

 

[Tephnos]

Hospital trends overall still isn't coming down - though it looks like it is just over the current peak - but the floor is still rising. Cases seems largely to be coming down due to reduced testing rather than reduced prevalence.

Anecdotally it seems at least around here the reinfection interval is becoming shorter, though protection against severity is holding up so far, but protection against infection and transmission, even after 3x jabs + natural infection, seems to wane quickly. I hope we aren't building up a big longer term problem in that respect - one of my colleagues has come down with heart problems after their second bout of it with the doctors suggesting it is infection scarring.

Triple jabbed coworker?

 

[Rroff]

We’re about to become a country/world of constant chronic illness, because of our government’s stupidity and shortsightedness. So much of the country’s workforce is going to be absent through chronic reoccurring infections.

My dad's company currently has 25 out of just under 200 people off with it at one site.

Triple jabbed coworker?

Yeah - he has an existing chronic condition which may be a contributing factor though probably not - won't mention specifically due to privacy reasons.

 

[the wopster]

My dad's company currently has 25 out of just under 200 people off with it at one site.

That’s unsustainable for any company, absolute negligence by the government

 

[Rroff]

That’s unsustainable for any company, absolute negligence by the government

Fortunately it is mostly impacting the office, rather than factory floor staff so some of them can still continue doing some work from home - if they had that kind of impact on the factory floor they'd have to shutdown.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

Fortunately it is mostly impacting the office, rather than factory floor staff so some of them can still continue doing some work from home - if they had that kind of impact on the factory floor they'd have to shutdown.

Large factory floors just have better natural ventilation than confined office spaces I imagine

 

[thenewoc]

Hospital trends overall still isn't coming down - though it looks like it is just over the current peak - but the floor is still rising. Cases seems largely to be coming down due to reduced testing rather than reduced prevalence.

Anecdotally it seems at least around here the reinfection interval is becoming shorter, though protection against severity is holding up so far, but protection against infection and transmission, even after 3x jabs + natural infection, seems to wane quickly. I hope we aren't building up a big longer term problem in that respect - one of my colleagues has come down with heart problems after their second bout of it with the doctors suggesting it is infection scarring.

Officially on day 4 of self isolation, having somehow tested positive on Sunday. Apparently you are meant to be contacted by the NHS following a positive result. I wasn't and I can tell you the 111 experience is terrible if your condition worsens. It seems to me they are fire fighting the cases where people actually keel over and need 999. Unless they treat people for COVID instead of pretending it will just pass like a cough the cases will continue to stack up with the worst cases.

 

[thenewoc]

The government haven't educated the public on mask quality let alone provided high quality masks (even in some cases to those most at risk like NHS workers). Their strategy is 'see no evil, hear no evil' and they have totally discounted Long Covid from their calculations which is a ticking time bomb of long term disability and chronic illness.

By the way, from that list you'd do a much better job. You know the score.

Not just long COVID. Details are emerging of substantially increased risks from other life threatening conditions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-33-fold-increase-risk-pulmonary-embolism-dvt

 

[BMox81]

Took it a couple of years but the bugger finally made it into the house. Daughter tested positive on Saturday and myself yesterday.

Got a slight cough and a blocked nose so definitely not as bad as others have had thankfully.

 

[thenewoc]

Took it a couple of years but the bugger finally made it into the house. Daughter tested positive on Saturday and myself yesterday.

Got a slight cough and a blocked nose so definitely not as bad as others have had thankfully.

Same here, only been out a couple of times in a month and using a face mask in a couple of supermarkets. It seems it must be very wide spread to have finally caught it to me.

 

[tom_e]

Officially on day 4 of self isolation, having somehow tested positive on Sunday. Apparently you are meant to be contacted by the NHS following a positive result.

Not anymore I don't think, contact tracing is gone and that's the only reason they contacted you.

 

[thenewoc]

Not anymore I don't think, contact tracing is gone and that's the only reason they contacted you.

Maybe the web page is rather out of date then but that seems odd when it's been updated with regards to not actually being able to impose self isolation on you now.

No wonder it's spreading as not everyone has the COVID app so if that's all they're relying on to make others aware to take a test. Oh and no longer any free tests. It's just as well the summer isn't too far off.