COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion
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I'm saying the number of cases of long covid is a gross exaggeration - this is a good thing.
You are saying everyone will get long covid eventually - this is a bad thing.
@BowdonUK's post likely is a huge exaggeration.
However, as already covered above, @xaldub has not made that same claim.
So, overall, we're still down to one poster out of the many who have posted in the thread something along the lines of long covid affecting everyone.
So again, hardly the narrative here. You're being completely disingenuous and you know it. It would be like me highlighting your posts and someone else's with a similar opinion and pretending that's the narrative.
All you've really done is refute your own claim and prove that the narrative here is actually much more balanced.
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Since early 2022 the data in the U.K and the U.S has shown the number of people with LC to be of a similar level. Does that mean people aren't recovering, but very few new cases ? Or is the number of new cases keeping pace with recovered individuals ?
The "maths on here" being the one you made up, or the one most people are talking about? Maybe people will get it over and over, maybe getting it once will protect you, maybe each time it will be a new random sample of people getting it. How would we know? Covid hasn't been around long enough to tell.
The fact is that there is abundant evidence that large absolute numbers of people are getting sick, with resulting increased levels of absence from work, and a resultant knock-on effect for society. We don't yet know whether it's going to be a long term 0.5%, 1%, 2%, 5% or 10% of the population suffering at one time, nor whether future treatments will provide effective relief, nor whether Long Covid is one condition or (as I suspect) a range of related syndromes with different cause, treatment, and progression. But your kind of head-in-the-sand denialism in the face of overwhelming evidence is the height of stupidity.
Even the fantasy 190,000 figure that you pulled out of your excretory canal would be a cause for serious concern.
How is 1.9 million a gross exaggeration of a problem ? That's 2.8% of the population ... not an insgnificant amount. And as one poster has already stated, even if the numbers are overblown ... that's still a lot of people. Of course, there is the possibility the numbers could be underestimated. One study last year suggested the risk of LC with Omicron was as high as 30%, but it was an outlier and most studies are in agreement at ~5-10%.
Again, I've already told you I never said everyone is going to get LC. But given the sheer numbers of people infected by a Covid "wave" ... 5% still amounts to a large number. For example, with this latest wave the Zoe study estimated over 1 million people infected despite a relative absence of testing ... if the 5% developing LC is correct, that's another 50,000 people in UK added to the ranks of chronically ill.
You don't give up, do you ? Since early 2022 the risk of LC, with each Omicron subvariant, has been estimated to be between 5-10%. Nobody can predict whether future strains are going to be more, or less, pathogenic. Certainly the number of acute hospitilisations has diminished but the risk of post acute sequelae of Covid ( PASC ) sadly seems to have been sustained. And as Mr Jack has eloquently stated there are a number of surrogate markers to support this eg. absence from work, gap in skilled workers post pandemic, excess deaths across all age groups.
As for society being overtaken by LC ? Depends what you mean by that. It's unlikely everyone will develop LC - as I said earlier the data suggests the numbers are static but not diminishing. But the economic impact of supporting millions of chronically ill individuals who can't work is going to have a knock on effect on everyone.
So now you are changing your tune and talking about risk - that's not what you said originally - so your original post was wrong (or an exaggeration)?
Unlike I suspect the majority on the thread I have long covid. I'm also in groups with many others with long covid.
With respect until you've experienced it and heard the stories of long covid then you can't tell if what I'm saying is an over exaggeration.
The more times people get covid the more chance of long covid. The first time I got covid it was gone in 4 days.
There are nurses and doctors who caught covid in the first wave who are still off work ill.
The medical world is full steam trying to figure out why long covid is happening. A new report just released as identified the biomarkers for it.
At the start of this I was a bit of a skeptic too. I thought covid had been over blown. But then now I'm seeing, at this point, long covid is the danger on the horizon.
I never questioned most of that or your own experience of it. Only that the sentence "Long covid will gradually take over society." is likely an overexaggeration.
Regardless, your opinion alone does not support the claim that Nick made in that the narrative on here is that everyone will get long covid.
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Last reply, as I'm getting bored and tired of replying to your pedantry. My stance hasn't changed - the estimated risk, as per latest evidence, is a 5-10% risk of developing LC with each Omicron subvariant wave. That statistic hasn't changed in the last 2 years. As new strains emerge that risk could increase or decrease. Make of that what you will, I could care less. Just stay healthy, try and avoid Covid if you can.
Ok so your original post was wrong - sigh - we got there in the end.
Good news all - we no longer have the prospect of 5-10% more of each subsequent wave joining the "ranks"
So was one of your own posts about the narrative here, but let's ignore that, shall we
I think I'm helping to shift the narrative - youre welcome..
Long COVID is going to be a lot of things - for some there might be a direct COVID induced state it is possible to test for, but for others things like the inflammation damage might have caused or triggered a condition, either entirely new or something someone was either borderline for or not serious enough to cause a significant condition before. Which might be something they recover back to how they were with time or result in a permanent condition.
Personally I suspect as many as half of long COVID cases are people getting help for pre-existing conditions where it is easier to explain as long COVID.
Good news all - the 5-10% risk doesn't apply to me. Cos I'm a denier, yeah !Ok so your original post was wrong - sigh - we got there in the end.
Good news all - we no longer have the prospect of 5-10% more of each subsequent wave joining the "ranks"
There, edited it to be more comforting for you @n111ck. The rest of us will continue to live in the real adult world where we have to worry about coping with multiple risks from a variety of sources on a daily basis.
What narrative would that be then, since you have failed to prove what you originally said it was?
So you previous post wasn't your last reply? Do you ever stick by anything you've said?
I could be wrong, but i think he's trying to promote the narrative he isn't very good at comprehension. At least I have the excuse of brain fog ( as a consequence of LC ). Don't know what his excuse is .... probably too much banking.