COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

xaldub · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:05

Ayahuasca said:
He's talking about the millions potentially affected worldwide, and while he may have exaggerated a bit about the percentage getting long-covid after each wave, it's still a small percentage.

Besides, that's literally one poster in the thread, it's hardly the "narrative on here".

Yup, I was talking about the millions worldwide ( an estimated 1.9 million in UK, 20 million in the U.S and 5% of the population in Eire according to the latest studies ).

@n11ck Why are so you incensed these studies may "increase public anxiety" unnecessarily ? Aren't these numbers already significant enough to justify concern ? Many of those affected by LC feel they are being gaslit by media ( and the likes of you ) underplaying the seriousness of this condition ie. public awareness is being undermined - potentially to their detriment. Trust me, I don't wish LC on anyone. I continue to come across new patients weekly with LC - this problem isn't going away and it's not within our power to control ( at the moment, at least ).

Tephnos · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:07

Hagar said:
I thought that there was still discussion as to what constituted long Covid.

There is, but a newer study has apparently demonstrated that you can blood test for long covid—I believe it is something to do with low cortisol levels being a huge indicator of the disease.

Fortunately, the authors mentioned that long covid does not have strong evidence linking it to any kind of autoimmune disease, so it seems to be hormonal in origin based on these tests (this probably explains why the majority of LC cases seem to clear up within a year or two). That being said, we don't know why the body reacts this way yet. Does the virus have a reservoir somewhere, like in the brain? Still unknown.

n111ck · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:15

Ayahuasca said:
He's talking about the millions potentially affected worldwide, and while he may have exaggerated a bit about the percentage getting long-covid after each wave, it's still a small percentage.

Besides, that's literally one poster in the thread, it's hardly the "narrative on here".

What’s that you say? Someone exaggerating? That’s exactly my point…

n111ck · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:17

Mr Jack said:
Everyone is usually interpreted as 100% or something pretty close to it, not 5-10%.

lol exactly what do you think will eventually happen if every wave 5-10% of people get long covid and there are unlimited waves..

Ayahuasca · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:17

n111ck said:
What’s that you say? Someone exaggerating? That’s exactly my point…

No, your point was that the narrative here seems to be that everyone gets long covid.

So far you've been able to point to one poster who mentioned slightly higher rates of long covid, but still nowhere near everyone.

It's not a narrative, it's a single opinion.

n111ck · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:18

xaldub said:
Yup, I was talking about the millions worldwide ( an estimated 1.9 million in UK, 20 million in the U.S and 5% of the population in Eire according to the latest studies ).

@n11ck Why are so you incensed these studies may "increase public anxiety" unnecessarily ? Aren't these numbers already significant enough to justify concern ? Many of those affected by LC feel they are being gaslit by media ( and the likes of you ) underplaying the seriousness of this condition ie. public awareness is being undermined - potentially to their detriment. Trust me, I don't wish LC on anyone. I continue to come across new patients weekly with LC - this problem isn't going away and it's not within our power to control ( at the moment, at least ).

You’ve been discredited by your own supporter as you are part of the reason long covid isn’t taken seriously..

n111ck · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:20

Ayahuasca said:
No, your point was that the narrative here seems to be that everyone gets long covid.

So far you've been able to point to one poster who mentioned slightly higher rates of long covid, but still nowhere near everyone.

It's not a narrative, it's a single opinion.

So you agree that @xaldub is spouting rubbish?

you seem to be doubling down on your poor maths skills too..

Ayahuasca · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:22

n111ck said:
So you agree that @xaldub is spouting rubbish?

you seem to be doubling down on your poor maths skills too..

Nice deflection. Maybe try starting again with how the narrative on here is that everyone gets long covid?

One user's opinion does not back up what you said. It's like me saying everyone thinks partygate was a joke and only using your posts to back that up.

xaldub · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:28

n111ck said:
You’ve been discredited by your own supporter as you are part of the reason long covid isn’t taken seriously..

Don't think anybody is being a supporter of anyone. Most individuals are open to debate on the latest evidence - unlike you and a few others in this thread. I'm not a believer in karma, but I sincerely wish you don't become one of the 2.8% of individuals in the UK with LC.

n111ck · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:28

Ayahuasca said:
Nice deflection. Maybe try starting again with how the narrative on here is that everyone gets long covid?

One user's opinion does not back up what you said. It's like me saying everyone thinks partygate was a joke and only using your posts to back that up.

That’s just one recent example - your deflecting lol - is @xaldub right or wrong?

xaldub · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:30

n111ck said:
So you agree that @xaldub is spouting rubbish?

you seem to be doubling down on your poor maths skills too..

So my "rubbish" is quoting results of validated studies/surveys ? But you can quote a solitary Telgraph article, and that's not considered rubbish ? How does that work then ? Double standards !

n111ck · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:30

xaldub said:
Don't think anybody is being a supporter of anyone. Most individuals are open to debate on the latest evidence - unlike you and a few others in this thread. I'm not a believer in karma, but I sincerely wish you don't become of the 2.8% of individuals in the UK with LC.

Well clearly no one is supporting your gross exaggerations.

As for your second point you can wish all you like but based on your calculations all of us are going to get it eventually lol..

Ayahuasca · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:31

n111ck said:
That’s just one recent example - your deflecting lol - is @xaldub right or wrong?

I'm not deflecting anything, I'm challenging you on what you originally said and you're trying to deflect by asking me what I think of a user opinion that you quoted. It doesn't matter whether I think he's right or wrong, because that wasn't the issue I was discussing with you.

If the narrative on here is that everyone gets long covid then it shouldn't be difficult for you to back that up as there should be plenty of recent posts to use.

n111ck · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:35

Ayahuasca said:
I'm not deflecting anything, I'm challenging you on what you originally said and you're trying to deflect by asking me what I think of a user opinion that you quoted. It doesn't matter whether I think he's right or wrong, because that wasn't the issue I was discussing with you.

If the narrative on here is that everyone gets long covid then it shouldn't be difficult for you to back that up as there should be plenty of recent posts to use.

Lets deal with this first example and then you can let me know how many other examples will be enough proof to demonstrate the narrative on here?

So, firstly, is @xaldub right or wrong?

xaldub · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:36

n111ck said:
Well clearly no one is supporting your gross exaggerations.

As for your second point you can wish all you like but based on your calculations all of us are going to get it eventually lol..

Why are they "my" gross exaggerations ? I didn't undertake the surveys or write those articles. And I never said everyone is going to get LC. You're making things up.

Ayahuasca · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:37

n111ck said:
Lets deal with this first example and then you can let me know how many other examples will be enough proof to demonstrate the narrative on here?

So, firstly, is @xaldub right or wrong?

I'm not falling for your deflection tactics, I asked you to back up what you've said first so...

This whole thing could have been avoided completely if you'd just been more honest yourself. I don't have a problem with the study being posted, but you're making it sound like it's gospel and that the narrative on here is that long covid affects a majority, not a minority.

Mr Jack · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:40

n111ck said:
lol exactly what do you think will eventually happen if every wave 5-10% of people get long covid and there are unlimited waves..

You know that a majority of Long Covid sufferers do eventually recover, right?

n111ck · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:40

Ayahuasca said:
I'm not falling for your deflection tactics, I asked you to back up what you've said first so...

This whole thing could have been avoided completely if you'd just been more honest yourself. I don't have a problem with the study being posted, but you're making it sound like it's gospel and that the narrative on here is that long covid affects a majority, not a minority.

Here's another...

BowdonUK said:
Germany seems to be out in front when it comes to finding solutions for long covid. Denmark were the best trackers of covid, with the Netherlands between the two.

Long covid will gradually take over society.

There are many people who are fit and healthy get covid, and appear to recover, only for long covid to hit.

That's how it was for me. I thought I was recovering. Then a couple of weaks later a bunch of new symptoms appear.

So are @xaldub and now @BowdonUK talking rubbish or not?

Tephnos · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:41

The mistake is engaging with this guy every time he shows up. Just ignore.

xaldub · 26 Sep 2023 at 13:41

n111ck said:
Lets deal with this first example and then you can let me know how many other examples will be enough proof to demonstrate the narrative on here?

So, firstly, is @xaldub right or wrong?

Perhaps an easier question to answer is : why is n111ck's panties in such a twisted state ?

By the way, quoting statistics isn't an "opinion" ... it's presenting facts. You can choose to believe them, or not. Or critique the methodology in gathering that data. But you don't seem to be applying any logic or rational thinking to your replies ... because, lets's face it you have none. You're just spouting emotional garbage/beliefs with nothing to back it up