COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

maschio said:
i am of the view that C19 is as not dangerous as the official figures show but I have previously stated that covid has killed many people.
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Personally I think there are several factors to this:

Something which often seems forgotten is that there was already 2 variants (L and S types IIRC) circulating around the Wuhan area - one of those was a more severe disease but lost out to what would become Alpha for dominance - this variant also fuelled many of the early scenes of hospitals overflowing with people on oxygen, etc. but only made up something like 17 or 19% of cases at its peak and was virtually extinct by late 2020.

We've made significant advances in understanding the disease since the early days which helps to reduce deaths, etc. making the disease appear less dangerous.

There seems to be a subset of the population, which includes some peoples from southern Asia, who have an almost genetic like vulnerability to COVID not just existing health conditions or old age - they likely make up a significant number of deaths and other severe outcomes from this disease - and likely one factor behind COVID now being less problematic than it was is due to it having worked through most of those people in the population. Something I think was poorly understood, including by myself, in the early days of the pandemic when the impact on the population was envisioned as being more uniform.

On the flip side though I think generally there is an underestimation of the impact of the difference with COVID and its ability to infect cells over a wider range of the human body compared to other similar diseases which are mostly if not entirely limited to infecting the respiratory tract. Personally I've had quite an impact from COVID despite overall having a relatively mild dose of it - I'd liken it in many ways to it having aged me 10 years in the shorter term though I've mostly recovered - for example the quality of my finger nails was significantly impacted along with the emergence of Beau's lines and it took about 6 months for them to grow out back to the quality and healthiness I had before COVID - and a similar impact was apparent to my health in other areas as well.
 
Werewolf said:
And how many of them also had covid?

IIRC the stats are that you were by a something like an order of magnitude more likely to have a bad covid case, as most of the "side effects" of the vaccine were very minor and rare versions of what were common and major issues if you got infected.

There are also a lot of "oh they died after the jab" stories where the person who died, did so before they had the jab, after they'd already had covid, whilst they also had something else seriously wrong with them.
If you look at some of the farcebook pages you'd see claims that athletes who had heart attacks on the sports fields back before the vaccine was a thing were due to the vaccine, and in some cases where it happened before covid was even a rumour.
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LOL i think you were the guy that said "there is absolutely no proof whatsover withoutadoubt no chance in a million years" that the covid vaccine harmed anybody, but when i posted proof that the vaccine did indeed KILL people you had nowt to say:p
 
Rroff said:
Personally I think there are several factors to this:

Something which often seems forgotten is that there was already 2 variants (L and S types IIRC) circulating around the Wuhan area - one of those was a more severe disease but lost out to what would become Alpha for dominance - this variant also fuelled many of the early scenes of hospitals overflowing with people on oxygen, etc. but only made up something like 17 or 19% of cases at its peak and was virtually extinct by late 2020.

We've made significant advances in understanding the disease since the early days which helps to reduce deaths, etc. making the disease appear less dangerous.

There seems to be a subset of the population, which includes some peoples from southern Asia, who have an almost genetic like vulnerability to COVID not just existing health conditions or old age - they likely make up a significant number of deaths and other severe outcomes from this disease - and likely one factor behind COVID now being less problematic than it was is due to it having worked through most of those people in the population. Something I think was poorly understood, including by myself, in the early days of the pandemic when the impact on the population was envisioned as being more uniform.

On the flip side though I think generally there is an underestimation of the impact of the difference with COVID and its ability to infect cells over a wider range of the human body compared to other similar diseases which are mostly if not entirely limited to infecting the respiratory tract. Personally I've had quite an impact from COVID despite overall having a relatively mild dose of it - I'd liken it in many ways to it having aged me 10 years in the shorter term though I've mostly recovered - for example the quality of my finger nails was significantly impacted along with the emergence of Beau's lines and it took about 6 months for them to grow out back to the quality and healthiness I had before COVID - and a similar impact was apparent to my health in other areas as well.
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Something else I have to wonder is whether the vaccines unintentionally suppressed variants where lung inflammation was more of a feature, which seems to be behind many of the COVID deaths, but variants of the disease in non-human species such as deer have also been seen to become Omicron like in the longer run where the vaccines aren't in play.
 
Tephnos said:
FFP masks work; people are just too dumb to use them correctly.

Simple as simple gets.
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Indeed they do. This is what I carry in my pocket on a daily basis when at work.

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sigma said:
An interesting piece about the Cochrane study here:
www.vox.com

The new scientific review on masks and Covid isn’t what you think

A meta-analysis seeks to be the last word on the effectiveness of masks, but finding answers in science isn’t that easy.
www.vox.com www.vox.com

Regarding the studies in the review:

Instead, most of them looked at flu transmission in normal conditions, and many of them were about other interventions like hand-washing. Only two of the studies are about Covid and masking in particular.

Furthermore, neither of those studies looked directly at whether people wear masks, but instead at whether people were encouraged or told to wear masks by researchers. If telling people to wear masks doesn’t lead to reduced infections, it may be because masks just don’t work, or it could be because people don’t wear masks when they’re told, or aren’t wearing them correctly.

There’s no clear way to distinguish between those possibilities without more original research — which is not what a meta-analysis of existing work can do.
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I'll be generous here that Vox.com don't know what they're speaking about rather than just straight up lying about it, but the Cochrane meta includes for a covid face mask/covering study that involved 100,000s of participants that absolutely did observe whether people were wearing them or not.
 
Jokester said:
I'll be generous here that Vox.com don't know what they're speaking about rather than just straight up lying about it, but the Cochrane meta includes for a covid face mask/covering study that involved 100,000s of participants that absolutely did observe whether people were wearing them or not.
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Unless I'm reading it wrong the studies with 100,000s of participants was for flu-like or COVID-like illness and not carried out during the pandemic.
 
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Oh and this morning's doozy

www.nzherald.co.nz

Te Whatu Ora data breach: Man arrested for allegedly accessing Covid vaccination info

A 56yr old man is charged with accessing a computer system for dishonest purposes.
www.nzherald.co.nz www.nzherald.co.nz

thought they might have wanted to bury that as an actual thing given that:

wherearethenumbers.substack.com

The New Zealand vaccine data: what I actually saw and analysed and what the limitations are

Note: As new information becomes available I have been updating this article, so some of the conclusions are different to the original version.
wherearethenumbers.substack.com wherearethenumbers.substack.com
 
maschio said:
However, i do, whether you like or believe it or not, have friends who are suffering serious injuries from the covid 19 vax. But we cannot call it vaccine because surprise surprise they changed the definition of the word vaccinated during the pandemic.
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Do explain why the flu vaccine was always called a vaccine, despite never being anywhere close to 100% effective?
 
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maschio said:
LOL i think you were the guy that said "there is absolutely no proof whatsover withoutadoubt no chance in a million years" that the covid vaccine harmed anybody, but when i posted proof that the vaccine did indeed KILL people you had nowt to say:p
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I can't remember that at all.

But Vaccines carry a risk. Every medication you take has a risk, even simple saline has a risk*, just getting touched by a medic carries a risk (cross contamination if ungloved/not changed gloves, or of a reaction to the gloves if they're using latex gloves**).

You take a dose of paracetamol and you take a risk.

You take a some cough medicine, you take a risk that you're going to have a nasty reaction.

Hell you buy a moisturiser for your hands that is sold by the millions and you can have a nasty reaction.

There are basically no medication or food that hasn't had cases where people have reactions, the most common antibiotics in use in the world have a surprisingly high number of people that will have a reaction to them, yet they're still routinely prescribed by default

I don't think anyone ever claimed there was no chance of a nasty reaction to the vaccine, but the documented cases where it's actually tracked back to the vaccine are small, and far fewer and less serious than the known and observed issues from even just a "mild" dose of covid.
It really hasn't helped the "vaccines are bad mmmkay" lot that they've consistently done things like pointing to "athletes collapsing" ignoring the fact that that was happening pre vaccine, and many of the examples they've used were actually precovid...
Or that they'll go on about "the vaccine caused..." when what the vaccine has possible caused is usually a far far milder version of what covid regularly causes and the vaccine has done so in a tiny number of cases compared to infections.

Also no one sensible has ever claimed that vaccines are 100% proof against infection, i don't think there is a single vaccine ever that has had 100% protection (but neither does getting an infection and infection is going to be much harder on your system), one of the reasons many vaccines require at minimum 2 or 3 doses in quick succession and many even for viruses that don't change, will require you to get a booster every few years (if you go to hospital with almost any wound caused by a wide number of things they'll likely give you a booster for tetinus if you've not had one recently/they can't find a record of it).

*The "simple" act of sticking a needle into someone carries a risk (infection, hitting the wrong place, needing multiple attempts to do it), let alone what is injected, and can lead to soreness and bruising.

**Seriously, it's the reason in many medical settings they ask you if you've got an allergy to latex, and most medical staff only use nitrile gloves these days as they're less likely to have a reaction.
 
Meh got the first cold in I dunno how long :( one of the girls came into work with it Friday, made no attempt to not spread it, and now several of us have it :(

Fortunately aside from a sore throat I'm not feeling too bad but the sore throat isn't fun.
 
Rroff said:
Meh got the first cold in I dunno how long :( one of the girls came into work with it Friday, made no attempt to not spread it, and now several of us have it :(

Fortunately aside from a sore throat I'm not feeling too bad but the sore throat isn't fun.
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same here, think it was my grandson that gave me it.
 
Rroff said:
Meh got the first cold in I dunno how long :( one of the girls came into work with it Friday, made no attempt to not spread it, and now several of us have it :(

Fortunately aside from a sore throat I'm not feeling too bad but the sore throat isn't fun.
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With nine most wonderful walking petri dishes grandchildren it is nigh on impossible to avoid these microbes.
It started towards the end of last week and my voice almost croaked. All around that area and sinus a little. Technicolor stuff being coughed, just yuk. My wife isn't too good either.
The cough is keeping me awake during the night.
Our grandchildren seem to be coughing and snotty as well......

Covid tests show negative, at least the swabs only get pushed up the nose now.
 
Sunday started to feel a bit iffy, then Monday felt bad, then today I went for a test and it was positive. Seem to have a constant headache, very sore throat in the night and morning (likely due to heating) and I am sleeping really badly. My Garmin stats started to show super high stress levels and low body battery in the morning which is always an early sign your body is fighting s sickness before it fully hits. Hope it only lasts the week!
 
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