COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

SexyGreyFox said:
Can we all agree Bill Gates didn't invent it to make a vaccine with trackers in it :)
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You see what you've done there - intentionally or not - is to ridicule anyone who questions anything about the COVID years by making out people are crazy.

It wasn't so long ago expressing these opinions would have you deleted from youtube and social media, but would often get replies of tin foil hat 5g ridicule:

Vax damage
Lab leak theory
Vax & Mask efficacy

All of which are now considered mainstream acceptable opinions and hold weight.
 
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mk1_salami said:
You see what you've done there - intentionally or not - is to ridicule anyone who questions anything about the COVID years by making out people are crazy.

It wasn't so long ago expressing these opinions would have you deleted from youtube and social media, but would often get replies of tin foil hat 5g ridicule:

Vax damage
Lab leak theory
Vax & Mask efficacy

All of which are now considered mainstream acceptable opinions and hold weight.
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OK so Bill Gates did invent Covid so he could make a Vax that he put trackers in.
 
mk1_salami said:
Lab leak theory

All of which are now considered mainstream acceptable opinions and hold weight.
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Nah, most versions of the Lab leak theory are still full pants on head, and none of them are widely believed by people whose opinion is worth a dime. The overwhelming consensus among virologists and epidemiologists is that it is a simple zoonosis. There is simply no credible evidence for a lab leak at all.
 
mk1_salami said:
You see what you've done there - intentionally or not - is to ridicule anyone who questions anything about the COVID years by making out people are crazy.

It wasn't so long ago expressing these opinions would have you deleted from youtube and social media, but would often get replies of tin foil hat 5g ridicule:

Vax damage
Lab leak theory
Vax & Mask efficacy

All of which are now considered mainstream acceptable opinions and hold weight.
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the lab leak was a viable theory initially, now personally i am not clued in enough to say whether it is or isnt still on the table.......... but at least at the start it was a possibility due to where it was based and what they were working on. To suggest it is a possible source isnt being a crackpot. To categorically state with certainty that that is where it came from and its all a monumental cover up.......... that is different imo.

vaccine side effects............. i dont think anyone would say the vaccine has no side effects, however the crackpot theory is to suggest it was all a monumental coverup to make money and that the vaccine risks on the whole are even remotely close to the risks at the time of getting covid without being vaccinated.

mask efficacy - imo the problem is many people do not use the masks properly and do not fit them properly. The correct mask fitted well and used correctly will help but not a magic bullet. 2 people wearing well fitted correct masks even better..

however some disposible mask reused for weeks on end, worn so covers mouth but not your nose isnt going to do much.

also it seems the mask protects the population from the wearer more than the wearer from the population. So for instance i have not normally worn a mask for ages now.......... but IF i had covid but for some reason i had to go out and could not get around it, i would wear a mask...... not to protect me, but to try to protect you............ you are welcome btw!.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
the lab leak was a viable theory initially, now personally i am not clued in enough to say whether it is or isnt still on the table.......... but at least at the start it was a possibility due to where it was based and what they were working on. To suggest it is a possible source isnt being a crackpot. To categorically state with certainty that that is where it came from and its all a monumental cover up.......... that is different imo.

vaccine side effects............. i dont think anyone would say the vaccine has no side effects, however the crackpot theory is to suggest it was all a monumental coverup to make money and that the vaccine risks on the whole are even remotely close to the risks at the time of getting covid without being vaccinated.

mask efficacy - imo the problem is many people do not use the masks properly and do not fit them properly. The correct mask fitted well and used correctly will help but not a magic bullet. 2 people wearing well fitted correct masks even better..

however some disposible mask reused for weeks on end, worn so covers mouth but not your nose isnt going to do much.

also it seems the mask protects the population from the wearer more than the wearer from the population. So for instance i have not normally worn a mask for ages now.......... but IF i had covid but for some reason i had to go out and could not get around it, i would wear a mask...... not to protect me, but to try to protect you............ you are welcome btw!.
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Great post but some still won't get it.
We've been using masks in the NHS from the day the NHS started and quite simply they work, way before Covid I've been asked to wear a mask before I go into certain wards and departments.
However the problem is we have people like me who wore the same mask for weeks on end, doesn't wear it properly, continually touches things then wipe my eyes, nose and mask and this is 'mask efficiency' going wrong.
I have no opinions/theories on where the virus came from, it really doesn't matter to me.

I also have to wonder if these CT'ers think any vaccines work?
Never in the history of humans were so many experts, unlimited money and red tape cut thrown at a problem, I think Pfizer immediately took 2,000 staff off their jobs to concentrate on this one virus and that's besides all the others around the World working on it.
I was one of 50,000 people in this country on trials even though I found out I was on placebos later on.
 
bigmike20vt said:
the lab leak was a viable theory initially, now personally i am not clued in enough to say whether it is or isnt still on the table.......... but at least at the start it was a possibility due to where it was based and what they were working on. To suggest it is a possible source isnt being a crackpot. To categorically state with certainty that that is where it came from and its all a monumental cover up.......... that is different imo.

vaccine side effects............. i dont think anyone would say the vaccine has no side effects, however the crackpot theory is to suggest it was all a monumental coverup to make money and that the vaccine risks on the whole are even remotely close to the risks at the time of getting covid without being vaccinated.

mask efficacy - imo the problem is many people do not use the masks properly and do not fit them properly. The correct mask fitted well and used correctly will help but not a magic bullet. 2 people wearing well fitted correct masks even better..

however some disposible mask reused for weeks on end, worn so covers mouth but not your nose isnt going to do much.

also it seems the mask protects the population from the wearer more than the wearer from the population. So for instance i have not normally worn a mask for ages now.......... but IF i had covid but for some reason i had to go out and could not get around it, i would wear a mask...... not to protect me, but to try to protect you............ you are welcome btw!.
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The regular surgical mask you are thinking of works better for disease which is spread mostly via droplet. For virtually completely airborne pathogens like covid, it's next to useless.

Properly fitted respirators are a silver bullet. They will always work, and no virus can get past them.
 
Tephnos said:
For virtually completely airborne pathogens like covid
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Eh? I know they've tweaked the definition a bit since this pandemic but COVID is spread by both droplets that surgical type masks can filter as well as what would have been previously referred to as aerosolized which they are less suited to.

Almost all masks aside from very high end stuff are just buying you time and chance - with stuff like N99 buying you a lot of it. bigmike20vt is correct that it almost entirely comes down to people wearing the appropriate mask in the appropriate way - both parties wearing surgical type masks in passing in say a supermarket will give a similar level of protection in that circumstance to someone wearing a N95/FFP2 for short journeys on public transport, etc. (EDIT: Ultimately though it goes beyond that - something often missed - reducing the chance of transmission also means reducing the prevalence in society which means you are less likely to encounter it).
 
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Rroff said:
Eh? I know they've tweaked the definition a bit since this pandemic but COVID is spread by both droplets that surgical type masks can filter as well as what would have been previously referred to as aerosolized which they are less suited to.

Almost all masks aside from very high end stuff are just buying you time and chance - with stuff like N99 buying you a lot of it. bigmike20vt is correct that it almost entirely comes down to people wearing the appropriate mask in the appropriate way - both parties wearing surgical type masks in passing in say a supermarket will give a similar level of protection in that circumstance to someone wearing a N95/FFP2 for short journeys on public transport, etc. (EDIT: Ultimately though it goes beyond that - something often missed - reducing the chance of transmission also means reducing the prevalence in society which means you are less likely to encounter it).
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I have seen almost zero recorded instances of COVID infections that actually came from surface transmission (aka droplets, like how you'd normally expect to catch the Flu). It's such a low risk vector compared to completely airborne transmission (aka micro-aerosols) because COVID can hang around in the air very quickly and for a long time. That's why surgical masks are no good because without an air seal, it's getting in/out. Maybe when both parties are outside they help, but indoors with limited ventilation... no.

An N95/N99 is leagues ahead and cannot even be compared to a surgical mask because when properly fitted it actually provides an air seal and has three mechanisms to prevent those micro-aerosols from breaching it. The only thing superior is a positive pressure mask.

Quite honestly I thought we settled this debate long ago, surgical masks vs respirators because pointing at how bad surgical masks were was what the covid deniers were doing, so I'd rather not do this all over again.
 
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I never understood the logic of locking the country down whilst encouraging people to all shop at the same place and Sunak encouraged mask off eating.

I don't think the government took covid seriously, so I'm not surprised some folks thought it was over hyped. It exposed the incompetence. Did any other country have a government encouraging people to go out eating?

Covid was promoted as being deadly...but never mind go eat a burger amongst strangers. I wish there would be a class action against the government.
 
Tephnos said:
I have seen almost zero recorded instances of COVID infections that actually came from surface transmission (aka droplets, like how you'd normally expect to catch the Flu). It's such a low risk vector compared to completely airborne transmission (aka micro-aerosols) because COVID can hang around in the air very quickly and for a long time. That's why surgical masks are no good because without an air seal, it's getting in/out. Maybe when both parties are outside they help, but indoors with limited ventilation... no.

An N95/N99 is leagues ahead and cannot even be compared to a surgical mask because when properly fitted it actually provides an air seal and has three mechanisms to prevent those micro-aerosols from breaching it. The only thing superior is a positive pressure mask.

Quite honestly I thought we settled this debate long ago, surgical masks vs respirators because pointing at how bad surgical masks were was what the covid deniers were doing, so I'd rather not do this all over again.
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You seem to be mixing up some stuff there - droplet isn't just surface transmission and can happen over the air at close proximity and shorter time durations and is a significant factor in COVID transmission. Even in an indoor setting with crowd mobility even basic masks can offer substantial protection against COVID transmission if both parties are wearing them.

Even where COVID is aerosolized it isn't in the air in isolation - with the mix of other particles even masks where the filtration holes are larger than the virus can offer some protection.

In terms of surface transmission - the last time I saw any studies on it, which no one has really bothered to update since, it was around 1 in 50,000 cases of COVID were transmitted via surfaces on average, though it could be as much as 1 in 10,000 in some environments.
 
Posting in another thread reminded me - one of the drivers for a haulage company we use at work turned up ill on Saturday, said COVID is going around at their depot but everyone is basically treating it like a cold and coming into work as usual as no one has anything more than mild symptoms - sore throat, fatigue/weakness and general aches.

Like with my recent experience he seemed to think it was probably one person who had it a bit worse than the rest spreading it around.
 
Rroff said:
Posting in another thread reminded me - one of the drivers for a haulage company we use at work turned up ill on Saturday, said COVID is going around at their depot but everyone is basically treating it like a cold and coming into work as usual as no one has anything more than mild symptoms - sore throat, fatigue/weakness and general aches.

Like with my recent experience he seemed to think it was probably one person who had it a bit worse than the rest spreading it around.
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yeah kids had it in school, its no different for most to a common cold now. thankfully
 
_Jimlad_ said:
yeah kids had it in school, its no different for most to a common cold now. thankfully
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I kind of disagree on that, symptoms wise while people have it seems broadly mild these days, but the potential for wider body infection IMO is having an underlying impact on people's overall health far more than a cold or under normal circumstances the flu.

I had a second dose of it a few weeks back which was very mild but I was suffering intermittent bouts of brain fog for most of this month and still feeling a lot of the time like I just want to go back to bed so probably some underlying fatigue.
 
i got fatigue, brain fog all my muscles in my body are aching and my chest feels the same and with a little cough too also even my vision is off.

does it sound like covid.
 
I had a really short cold some weaks back and had a bit of issues with my balance at the time, felt like I was stumbling a but or unsteady on my feet
Even went as far as buying some ear drops.

not had that with a cold before but it only lasted about 5 days from start to fully recovered.
 
mk1_salami said:
Also the images don't use a generic "coronavirus" term, but specifically "COVID-19", which of course didn't exist in 2018.
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What I don't know is if this testing apparatus is just the kit to do the testing (that others have said has been around for decades) with the specific chemicals added later (remember they all come with lots of different packets). A bit like the equivalent of a drinks bottle, you can manufacture it before putting the drink it.
If it was, then you'd sell batches ahead of time for viruses that were already named, i.e. covid-19 in 2018, covid-18 in 2017 etc. Kind of like we already have names of hurricanes before the hurricane has even spawned, I'm assuming we aren't in cahoots with the aliens creating these hurricanes.
 
arknor said:
I had a really short cold some weaks back and had a bit of issues with my balance at the time, felt like I was stumbling a but or unsteady on my feet
Even went as far as buying some ear drops.

not had that with a cold before but it only lasted about 5 days from start to fully recovered.
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yes same with the balance issue too could bad hayfever bring on all these symptoms though ?
 
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