COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

UTT said:
Have you got a citation for that 50k or is it an anecdote and therefore meaningless?

The general perception is that the 'vaccine' was knocked in double quick time without years of trials

Add to the fact that the pharma producing it were also protected and exempt from any lawsuits which is also not a great look
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An email was sent out for anybody who wanted to take part so I submitted an application.
It was at the end of the trial I was told I was on placebo's.

I was one of these - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ld-get-travel-certificates-say-top-scientists

“Vaccine trial participants – of whom there are more than 50,000 in the UK but many tens of thousands more globally – have been discriminated against as second class citizens by politicians globally instead of treated as the heroes they are. Without them we would have no vaccines at all,” Faust said.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
How can you have an IQ of 137 :)
You are a joke
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Let's not go with the personal insults, please.

The AZ shot was pulled from 18 countries from as early as March 2021 for blood clotting. The thing was nicknamed the Clotshot years ago. So, what did 18 countries know and take action on that took AZ another 3 years to pull from the shelves? They just admitted in the recent legal case it can cause blood clots and coincidentally has been pulled from the market in the same week.

Timeline:

30th December 2020 - AZ Shot approved for use in the UK
March 2021 - Sweden joins Germany, France, and 15 other countries in suspending AstraZeneca's vaccine
January 2023 - The UK no longer offers the AZ shot, citing more effective mRNA vaccines
1st May 2024 - AstraZeneca admits in court that the shot can cause fatal blood clots
7th May 2024 - AstraZeneca withdrawing Covid vaccine worldwide, citing commercial decisions.

The commercial decision description is actually correct. There's little to no demand for a shot which can potentially kill them.

How can you not see the thick cloud of lies and propaganda which has been rammed down our throats for years? It genuinely amazes me.

I feel like I could present you with Chris Whitty, Anthony Fauci, Albert Bourla, Pascal Soriot in 10 years time when it's all spilled out and have them apologise to you for the lies, and you still wouldn't believe it.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
Between around June and December 2020 before Margaret Keenan was jabbed there were 50,000 of us in the UK being tested, I was on placebo's.
It makes me laugh hard when people claim it wasn't tested :)
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Well technically I think the clinical trials takes a few years to do full analysis and testing. Sure, this was accelerated but we were the guinea pigs really, I'm not suggested it was untested, it just wasn't fully tested, hence why they pulled some of them from being issued, and the policies were super fluid.

I'm not suggesting it was bad or people were wrong to take the jab, I just wish I hadn't looking back. I also feel they should have kept it to the vulnerable just as they do for the flu jab.

This is just my personal opinion, I expert you with your hospital expertise not to agree, but there is nothing categoric about the vaccine nor is there about not having it, unfortunately the data is all over the place, but it was a panic, and there was a lot of shoot from the hip decision making in some places.
 
My experience is that I've had two jabs and my friends mostly had two jabs. Three friends I know didn't have any jabs.

When it comes to what I've seen since this all kicked off. All of us in my small group have had random Covid experiences. None of us have been any better or worse than each other really. Headaches and feeling crap etc. Seems to be same across the board.

I certainly don't feel that I'm way better off than my mates that didn't bother.

One thing that's became apparent in last year is that my mother, father and aunt have all been diagnosed with having Atrial fibrillation. I'm not sure if that is linked at all to Covid but it had me thinking.
 
Hedge said:
It kind of did stop functioning with vaccines anyway surely.
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We did manage to carry on, all be it on a very reduced level but society functioned well enough considering. We will probably debate for years whether the vaccine helped or hindered. Yes it was put through quickly but if they hadn't made that decision and many, many more had died what would be said about it now?
 
I've had Covid before and after 4 doses...can't say there was any discernible difference between the two. Possibly on a cellular level it may have helped but I can't say for certain either way.
That's why I find absolute statements like "I 100% would have been worse off without the vaccine" a bit off, maybe you would, maybe you wouldn't but if you feel more protected having had them then that's fine as well.

Everything in the Covid world seems to need to be an absolute one way or the other and that's just not how things work.
 
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mk1_salami said:
How can you not see the thick cloud of lies and propaganda which has been rammed down our throats for years? It genuinely amazes me.
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I can see the lies and misinformation but you have to accept that things are replaced with better things which was the crux of your original post.

mk1_salami said:
Purely commercial decision to withdraw the Clotshot Vaccine. New, better one out there. Nothing to see here.
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www.bbc.co.uk

AstraZeneca to withdraw Covid vaccine

The firm said the decision was taken because of a decline in demand for the vaccine.
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IIRC my first two vaccine jabs were both Oxford-AstraZeneca, after I had already had covid at least once, right at the start of the pandemic in the week before the first UK lockdown. Never really understood why this was seemed to be bashed by the media so much, when it was a non-profit setup.

I was hit quite badly by both Ox-AZ jabs and really did need two weeks off work after each jab, I was very borderline for going to A&E after a call to 111 following the first jab.

But then I also needed two weeks off work after my Pfizer(?) booster in December '21, once again I felt really rough, just like the presumed flu I had in October '21.

And the covid I had in March '20 before the vaccines left me with crippling fatigue for three months, I really struggled through my postie shifts and unusually had to goto bed straight after getting in most days.

In hindsight, I often wonder/wish whether I should have been so cautious at work after my Dec '21 booster, for fear of what another covid infection would do to my partner who already had long covid (re-infection didn't affect her badly thankfully, but was an unknown back then). If I'd caught covid again while my vaccine immunity was still quite high around Easter '22, maybe the covid I got in late September '22 nine months after my booster might not have left me long covid to this day. Still relying on my moderate ill health retirement payment from leaving my postie job last year, still in no fit state to try and get another job and don't qualify for any benefits like ESA.
 
mk1_salami said:
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You can continue with your insults but in the NHS we are constantly improving stuff but it seems that people like you with an high IQ and top 1% earners in the Country are stuck with everything you've done before, that obviously works for you :)
In fact the NHS Department directly opposite my office is called Improving Together and this takes in any skill throughout our Trust.
Things can't stay the same Salami, you have to improve although you may be already perfect.
 
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It wasn't an insult. You misunderstood my point by failing to detect the sarcasm. Maybe it wasn't clear enough for you to understand, so I'll try to speak in more simplistic terms going forth.

I'm sure how the rest of your post (NHS improving things and the "Improving Together" dept) relates to the discussion about AZ vaccine dangers, but ok.

Btw it's "a high" not "an high".
 
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mk1_salami said:
I'm sure how the rest of your post (NHS improving things and the "Improving Together" dept) relates to the discussion about AZ vaccine dangers, but ok.
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It relates to anything where you have to improve because the old one or way to do it is not good enough.
Perhaps in your world of 137 IQ and top 1% earners you don't need to improve
It's quite astonishing that you think the original AZ vaccine doesn't need replacing with a new one.
 
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I was excited about this latest report;

www.frontiersin.org

Sulodexide Significantly Improves Endothelial Dysfunction and Alleviates Chest Pain and Palpitations in Patients With Long-COVID-19: Insights From TUN-EndCOV Study

ObjectiveNon-respiratory long-coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) symptoms are mainly related to a long-lasting endothelial dysfunction and microcirculation impairment. We hypothesized that Sulodexide, a purified glycosaminoglycan mixture with a beneficial endothelial effect in arterial and...
www.frontiersin.org www.frontiersin.org

Sulodexide Significantly Improves Endothelial Dysfunction and Alleviates Chest Pain and Palpitations in Patients With Long-COVID-19: Insights From TUN-EndCOV Study.
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Only to find out that Sulodexide isn't available in the UK or US.

While according to some people online in some European countries it can be bought over the counter.

I'd prefer it to become available here before I try it.

But it is good in the bigger picture that already established medications are being shown to see improvements in people.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
It relates to anything where you have to improve because the old one or way to do it is not good enough.
Perhaps in your world of 137 IQ and top 1% earners you don't need to improve
It's quite astonishing that you think the original AZ vaccine doesn't need replacing with a new one.
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It's more astonishing to think that AZ pulling the shot Worldwide, six days after being forced to admit in court it can cause fatal blood clots is a coincidence. Hook, line and sinker.

Your snide remarks designed to taint my character don't do your argument any favours.
 
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mk1_salami said:
It's more astonishing to think that AZ pulling the shot Worldwide, six days after being forced to admit in court it can cause fatal blood clots is a coincidence. Hook, line and sinker.

Your snide remarks designed to taint my character don't do your argument any favours.
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I mean statistically everything has a risk of xyz... the 0.14% number is minuscule compared to the benefits it brings. Flu jabs, tinnitus jabs etc all have risks associated with them, it's just the reality. The overall "good" they bring is why it is important.

I personally do not care who has or hasn't had a jab, the people that are strange are the ones that spend their free time arguing online over x or y when in reality it makes no difference to them.
 
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