COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion
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Soldato
Thankfully don't have LC yet. But am I never going to get COVID again? Probably not.
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Covid these days is more a chronic condition.
If you get infected it will attack and damage your immune system. It uses the ACE2 receptor in the immune system to travel around.
If your immune system is healthy it can shake it off, though you'll still have been damaged.
Eventually your immune system will be already damaged and covid will start damaging parts of the body.
As far as I know there is no vaccine for the current dominant variant KP.2 . The group of variants collectively known as FLiRT have escaped the vaccines.
When I got ill with covid I'd had vaccines, and had it twice before. On the third time I got the BQ.1.1 variant, which at the time evaded the then vaccines and antivirals, though I was given Paxlovid at the hospital.
The good news is researchers can see which proteins it's altering. So they are looking at the best way to turn them back to normal function.
If you get infected it will attack and damage your immune system. It uses the ACE2 receptor in the immune system to travel around.
If your immune system is healthy it can shake it off, though you'll still have been damaged.
Eventually your immune system will be already damaged and covid will start damaging parts of the body.
As far as I know there is no vaccine for the current dominant variant KP.2 . The group of variants collectively known as FLiRT have escaped the vaccines.
When I got ill with covid I'd had vaccines, and had it twice before. On the third time I got the BQ.1.1 variant, which at the time evaded the then vaccines and antivirals, though I was given Paxlovid at the hospital.
The good news is researchers can see which proteins it's altering. So they are looking at the best way to turn them back to normal function.
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Soldato
I wish regular gp's would start experimenting when it comes to long covid. There is a number of currently available medications that have helped people recover.
They could use them until we get a proper treatment.
They could use them until we get a proper treatment.
In my experience, there are quite a few GPs who are willing to try various treatments so long as you can provide some research data to back it up. And of course, the treatments have to be available on the local/national formulary with minimal potential for harm. The real issue continues to be resistance from the Government and regulatory bodies eg. Royal Colleges, GMC. Why that is, is another conversation entirely.
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This really does not sound true.... Links to proper websites/medical articles please?
P.s how do you do reaction on this forum? I can see the like button but that's it.... I promise I won't do the lol face...
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Got my booster mid June, 10 days later I was bedridden with covid. Now, just as I was starting to feel fully recovered, I get a bloody cold. That’s the third time I’ve had covid and it still hit me as hard as it did the first time. Immunocompromised so I suppose it’s par for the course.
In my experience the vaccines only really are effective at preventing a COVID infection turning serious, maybe slightly shorter duration but otherwise most people get it about the same regardless of vaccine status unless they've got an existing chronic condition or other relevant medical history.
I know nothing about the people involved / background but a good bit of what he is saying matches up with what I've observed to be the happening.
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I'm about 90% sure I got COVID again now.
Had it just under 2 years ago, and completely lost my sense of taste and smell then.
Been a bit rough this week since Monday evening, Tuesday night went to bed with shivers, and then yesterday afternoon taste and smell gone.
Pretty much same as last time.
When I say taste and smell gone, I mean completely, I can open up a bottle of vinegar and take a massive sniff off that and nothing, was doing a BBQ today, couldn't smell the smoke, let alone taste anything, weird, was the same last time as well.
Had it just under 2 years ago, and completely lost my sense of taste and smell then.
Been a bit rough this week since Monday evening, Tuesday night went to bed with shivers, and then yesterday afternoon taste and smell gone.
Pretty much same as last time.
When I say taste and smell gone, I mean completely, I can open up a bottle of vinegar and take a massive sniff off that and nothing, was doing a BBQ today, couldn't smell the smoke, let alone taste anything, weird, was the same last time as well.
Man that sucks. Take a test then go and get a booster hopefully that'll sort you out.
What part specifically doesn't sound true ? A lot of this info has been available for well over a year now ( with the exception of the info surrounding the latest strains ). Infection with COVID causes a chronic inflammatory state, which on average takes 18 months to resolve. This is associated with an increase in autoimmune illnesses, cancer rates and other illnesses.
Weirdly fire/smoke was one of the few things I could still smell, and smell something like normal, when I lost my sense of smell with COVID that and anything alcohol based like aftershave. Though only about half as strong as usual.
Everything else either no smell at all or the same metallic damp hair like smell.
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All of it really but the part about COVID damaging your body worse each time....how many times can you get it before this happens to the average person the average person being the 90% of people who are completely ignoring COVID now?
Also now you seem to be saying that it increases your chances of getting cancer....are we talking increases it like smoking or just the same as generally living life?
No way any research has had enough time to come to all these conclusions.....also needs a global conspiracy to have stayed out of headlines....
Anyway any links to papers or articles from trusted sources would be good....
It takes 2-3 weeks for the vaccine to fully work, so you were unlucky and were infected before this.
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Not to mention an increased risk of heart attacks, blood clots and stroke for 6 months after an infection.
BowdonUK is more towards the extreme take on it but COVID does have the ability to infect a much wider area of the body than typical for a respiratory disease and even with mild symptoms can have consequences for people's long term health especially if you repeatedly catch it before your body has fully recovered from the last time - which can be anywhere from 3-18 months and even longer for some. If you have underlying health weaknesses, which might not currently be a problem, it can trigger or push them over the edge i.e. if someone was unknown to them borderline for developing pre-diabetes a COVID infection could do enough damage for the condition to develop, whereas a cold or flu wouldn't do that.
Many of the underlying mechanisms are understood without having to fully see COVID develop to understand them.
EDIT: It is pretty random though - first time I had COVID it infected my digestive system pretty badly (and still hasn't 100% recovered) whereas the second time there was no evidence of that (something I did get with the second one strangely was minor hearing loss which took several weeks to clear up).
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Unfortunately the vaccine itself is now increasingly shown to cause significant long term and adverse effects. So you're ****** either way. You either get covid and take a chance at longer term effects or dose yourself to gills with drugs and take the same roulette.
Humans will survive and overcome, adapt to this just as we have always done. It sucks if you're hit with something that changes your life forever, but I know of people who have caught flu and suffered irreversible effects as a result, as well as someone who had to have the top of their finger amputated because of sepsis having cut himself on some barbed wire.
Humans are resilient - that said it doesn't help appease the bad time that people go through when they're ill. Let's not forget the amount of people suffering chronic conditions which aren't related to covid where the NHS just can't deal with it owing to lack of funding / resources. It's a sad state of affairs. I also hate how the pharma companies basically run medical decisions. If pharma were actually keen on saving lives they would all be non-profits - then I'd be more trusting of them. Sure maybe that makes me a mad tinfoil hat wearer, if so fine, put a label on it, but I'm still not convinced that this was dealt well at all.