COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

GGizmo said:
One of the theories is that covid hides is in the gut bacteria.

Interestingly some people are doing those gut bacteria tests and finding one or more bacteria as totally gone. They are using probiotics to try and repopulate that area.

I know gradually over the 2 years since I got covid my digestion went downhill.
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There are several longitudinal studies looking at PASC, in which biopsies from the gut ( and other parts of the body ) show large quantities of viral debris/spike protein triggering chronic inflammation and mast cell activation. In some cases the debris is persisting for 2+ yrs after infection. The chronic inflammatory state ( and histamine release ) causes a shift in the gut biome which then leads to multiple GI symptoms and has potential for causing disease eg. inflammatory bowel disease, IBS, Coeliac disease and even cancers.
 
So literally anything at all can be attributed to long Covid if one wants?

Going bald, long Covid.
Aches and pains when older, long Covid.
Ringing in ears, long Covid.
Car won’t start, long Covid.
Dog died, long Covid.
Can’t be arsed working, long Covid.
Have I got it right?
 
JonRGV250 said:
So literally anything at all can be attributed to long Covid if one wants?

Going bald, long Covid.
Aches and pains when older, long Covid.
Ringing in ears, long Covid.
Car won’t start, long Covid.
Dog died, long Covid.
Can’t be arsed working, long Covid.
Have I got it right?
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www.nhs.uk

Long-term effects of COVID-19 (long COVID)

Find out about the long-term effects some people can have after having COVID-19. These are sometimes called long COVID.
www.nhs.uk www.nhs.uk
 
JonRGV250 said:
So literally anything at all can be attributed to long Covid if one wants?

Going bald, long Covid.
Aches and pains when older, long Covid.
Ringing in ears, long Covid.
Car won’t start, long Covid.
Dog died, long Covid.
Can’t be arsed working, long Covid.
Have I got it right?
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>Ringing in the ears that happens as I get covid, literally brought on with the symptoms.
>Hmm, must be literally anything else.

You're a real piece of work. The sky could be blue and you'd deny that too.
 
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JonRGV250 said:
So literally anything at all can be attributed to long Covid if one wants?

Going bald, long Covid.
Aches and pains when older, long Covid.
Ringing in ears, long Covid.
Car won’t start, long Covid.
Dog died, long Covid.
Can’t be arsed working, long Covid.
Have I got it right?
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Long COVID isn't the same thing as laziness ; it's actually possible to test for it ( just not on the NHS yet ).
 
I had to laugh the other day at the excuse the covid deniers, who are getting very ill from flu and other respiratory conditions going around, are blaming it on.

Because they are unvaxxxed they can't blame it on the vaccine. So they suddenly noticed it's been foggy recently so that is to blame for virus shedding apparently!

These people have denial of reality problems.
 
GGizmo said:
I had to laugh the other day at the excuse the covid deniers, who are getting very ill from flu and other respiratory conditions going around, are blaming it on.

Because they are unvaxxxed they can't blame it on the vaccine. So they suddenly noticed it's been foggy recently so that is to blame for virus shedding apparently!

These people have denial of reality problems.
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The denial is strong particularly in the "anglophile" countries ie. US, UK, Australia, Canada & New Zealand. Anywhere else in the world, even in the EU, they are much more open minded about what happened during the pandemic, and the ongoing health crisis. In academic circles there is still a lot of concern too.
 
xaldub said:
The denial is strong particularly in the "anglophile" countries ie. US, UK, Australia, Canada & New Zealand. Anywhere else in the world, even in the EU, they are much more open minded about what happened during the pandemic, and the ongoing health crisis. In academic circles there is still a lot of concern too.
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It is a fiendish Chinese plot to debilitate the free world. The WHO are asking but the Chinese are not telling.
 
Tephnos said:
>Ringing in the ears that happens as I get covid, literally brought on with the symptoms.
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lol, of course it does, like you actually document it?
At what point did we turn into a nation of cry babies, as opposed to a nation of hard workers who'll battle through anything to get by, you know, like we used to.
God help us if we have to go to war, just imagine the excuses not to fight.
"sorry sarge my ears hurt, I can't go on the front line, waaah, waaaah"
 
xaldub said:
Long COVID isn't the same thing as laziness ; it's actually possible to test for it ( just not on the NHS yet ).
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Problem is there is Long COVID where there is a marker for COVID and it is directly involved in a long term chronic condition and chronic conditions which a case of COVID has caused but won't have any marker for COVID i.e. someone could have been all their life a hair away from developing diabetes but COVID did enough damage that they go on to develop diabetes post COVID but that won't leave any markers for COVID. And not all chronic conditions emerging post a COVID case will be related to COVID.
 
JonRGV250 said:
lol, of course it does, like you actually document it?
At what point did we turn into a nation of cry babies, as opposed to a nation of hard workers who'll battle through anything to get by, you know, like we used to.
God help us if we have to go to war, just imagine the excuses not to fight.
"sorry sarge my ears hurt, I can't go on the front line, waaah, waaaah"
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I love the rose tinted blinders...

Maybe about the time we stopped dying of routine infections and started to realise that you didn't just have to live with pain but there might be other options?
Maybe when we started not just letting the leg rot off because "that's how it is.
Maybe around the time we stopped accepting that it was normal to die of an easily preventable work related accident or because your employer refused to supply you with basic protections that stopped you dying of lung cancer or lung damage by the time you were 55?

And even back in the "good old days" if you had problems with your hearing or eyesight you were often considered unfit to serve in the armed forces because you we likely a liability...

My dad actually wanted to join the armed forces way back in the late 50's, guess what, they turned him down due to an eye injury that meant his sight fell below the minimum standard on one side.

I've actually just been reading an article about the "good old days" of highstreet retail, staff in a high end establishment expected to live in the cold, wet rooms at the back of the shop, worl 16 hours a day without being allowed to sit down, and had to eat at the company canteen where the food was awful but they were charged room and board out of their wages...And their working conditions were positively pleasant compared to what was normal for a lot of people who didn't work serving middle and upper class men and women.

It's almost like people expect life to be somewhat better than the 1870's.
 
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Rroff said:
Problem is there is Long COVID where there is a marker for COVID and it is directly involved in a long term chronic condition and chronic conditions which a case of COVID has caused but won't have any marker for COVID i.e. someone could have been all their life a hair away from developing diabetes but COVID did enough damage that they go on to develop diabetes post COVID but that won't leave any markers for COVID. And not all chronic conditions emerging post a COVID case will be related to COVID.
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I know what you're saying, but it's actually a bit more nuanced than that. Researchers in the US have identified ( with the help of AI ) a pattern of immunological biomarkers that are unique to Long COVID/PACS. These biomarkers can be found in the "damaged" tissue associated with the chronic condition eg. the pancreas in diabetes, and are distinct from other inflammatory disorders.
 
Werewolf said:
I've actually just been reading an article about the "good old days" of highstreet retail, staff in a high end establishment expected to live in the cold, wet rooms at the back of the shop, worl 16 hours a day without being allowed to sit down, and had to eat at the company canteen where the food was awful but they were charged room and board out of their wages...And their working conditions were positively pleasant compared to what was normal for a lot of people who didn't work serving middle and upper class men and women.

It's almost like people expect life to be somewhat better than the 1870's.
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That's nothing, we lived in a cardboard box on the A1, all five of us an' it were reet cold, :p
 
Werewolf said:
I love the rose tinted blinders...

Maybe about the time we stopped dying of routine infections and started to realise that you didn't just have to live with pain but there might be other options?
Maybe when we started not just letting the leg rot off because "that's how it is.
Maybe around the time we stopped accepting that it was normal to die of an easily preventable work related accident or because your employer refused to supply you with basic protections that stopped you dying of lung cancer or lung damage by the time you were 55?

And even back in the "good old days" if you had problems with your hearing or eyesight you were often considered unfit to serve in the armed forces because you we likely a liability...

My dad actually wanted to join the armed forces way back in the late 50's, guess what, they turned him down due to an eye injury that meant his sight fell below the minimum standard on one side.

I've actually just been reading an article about the "good old days" of highstreet retail, staff in a high end establishment expected to live in the cold, wet rooms at the back of the shop, worl 16 hours a day without being allowed to sit down, and had to eat at the company canteen where the food was awful but they were charged room and board out of their wages...And their working conditions were positively pleasant compared to what was normal for a lot of people who didn't work serving middle and upper class men and women.

It's almost like people expect life to be somewhat better than the 1870's.
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He'd rather act like a 'man' than have a high quality of life apparently. Weird.
 
Tephnos said:
Yeah in my case it infected my Eustachian tubes as the same day I got covid I was unable to pop my ears anymore and I started hearing a low rumbling in my left ear. Eventually when I could pop them again the rumbling remained. Oral steroids have taken the volume down a notch, but it seems there is persistent muscle spasm in my middle ear that continue to cause the rumbling noise, just at a lower volume than before.

About a year and a half in, just riding it out and hoping it eventually resolves itself. No other lasting effects bar that, which is annoying because the infection itself was mild as hell. Maybe I should just use nasal steroids into the affected Eustachian tube directly on a longer term basis and see what happens.
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I had this after I first had COVID. It came on during being ill and I went deaf in one ear for 3 weeks and then for the next 3 it sounded like someone perpetually opening a creaky door in my ear. It stopped suddenly though and was normal again after those six weeks.
 
LOAM said:
I had this after I first had COVID. It came on during being ill and I went deaf in one ear for 3 weeks and then for the next 3 it sounded like someone perpetually opening a creaky door in my ear. It stopped suddenly though and was normal again after those six weeks.
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I hope mine one day decides to resolve itself too. :D
 
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