Yeah I'm trying to generalise over a hugely complex situation which involves many different mechanisms and can be somewhat unique to different people i.e. COVID had such an impact on me the first time I developed Beau's lines on my nails which took 6 months to grow out and isn't something which happens regularly to most people with COVID.
COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion
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Yeah I'm trying to generalise over a hugely complex situation which involves many different mechanisms and can be somewhat unique to different people i.e. COVID had such an impact on me the first time I developed Beau's lines on my nails which took 6 months to grow out and isn't something which happens regularly to most people with COVID.
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I really can't agree with this and working in alliance with Infection Control at the time and they agree that if we had got one person in the hospital with the same Covid as we had in Feb 2020 it would have run rife through the hospital killing hundreds like it did Feb 2020 onwards.
Instead we had our first two patients around Feb 17th and it got bad really quickly.
HOWEVER, different hospitals probably had different experiences but at ours I'm confident that the experts were 100% correct.
I most certainly did, we have our own UHNM Facebook page and every time they had a break and recorded some dancing I'd make it very clear how some idiots would react to it.
In their tiny little minds it wouldn't matter if they had been non stop working for 8 hours, that one 20 second dance meant to some of a low IQ that nothing was being done and it was all a hoax and I was right.
BTW, I gave my medal back and it was forwarded to somebody who deserved it, I was working in Admin although I did spend 2 days behind a desk in full PPE taking phone calls on a Covid Ward so please don't make things up.
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There's not really anything to agree on ... you're factually incorrect. COVID existed and was causing illness in late 2019 ; that's the consensus of the medical/scientific community at large including the WHO. The opinion of your local infection control team is irrelevant.
Some regions were hit harder/earlier than others eg. the area I live in was the earliest impacted because our local Chinese community originates from Wuhan.
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When as it been normal after an 8 hour shift to start dancing around? Never.
It wasn't only medical staff doing it. Prison officers, the police and fire staff were also doing it.
I don't know the motive for whoever came up with the idea. But it contributed to the population not taking covid seriously, with the a knock on that taking the vaccine was seen by many as taking to much of a risk.
I'm not blaming the staff at these places. I'm blaming whoever thought it was a good idea to 1. Do it, and 2. Upload it for the public to see.
We're now 5 years out and if people aren't questioning it by now there is a lack of critical thinking going on.
This stunt along with Sunaks help to eat out scheme wanting people to go to restaurants and take off their masks. Or shopping stores becoming a mass of people. All the while saying it was illegal to go outside your house without a valid reason.
This stupidly is to blame for covid denial today.
It wasn't only medical staff doing it. Prison officers, the police and fire staff were also doing it.
I don't know the motive for whoever came up with the idea. But it contributed to the population not taking covid seriously, with the a knock on that taking the vaccine was seen by many as taking to much of a risk.
I'm not blaming the staff at these places. I'm blaming whoever thought it was a good idea to 1. Do it, and 2. Upload it for the public to see.
We're now 5 years out and if people aren't questioning it by now there is a lack of critical thinking going on.
This stunt along with Sunaks help to eat out scheme wanting people to go to restaurants and take off their masks. Or shopping stores becoming a mass of people. All the while saying it was illegal to go outside your house without a valid reason.
This stupidly is to blame for covid denial today.
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100% agree and I made my feelings known to my own colleagues at the time.
I understood why they did it from the replies I got like "Oh shut up, we've worked our socks off for hours on end and need a bit of light relief" etc.
Funnily enough the latest Casualty featured a Nurses/Tik Tok upload that made the public go against them.
On my social media I sometimes get these memes coming through where it's an excuse that it wasn't real.
Quoted what ? Different hospitals had different experiences ? I'm certain that is the case ... but this whole discussion began with you gaslighting @GGizmo that he couldn't possibly have had a COVID infection in December 2019, and I'm telling you, as a medical expert, you are wrong. Your premise that the pandemic would have "blown" up in December 2019 if there were some sporadic cases then is misguided. It takes time for the "domino" effect to kick in ... even with a high R value. Case in point being this late spring when the FLirT variant cropped up. It's much more infectious than the original Wuhan strain yet it took 3 months for cases to peak ... and that's in a society which isn't in lockdown and travelling without restriction.It would have been nice if you had also quoted my last sentence, it did matter
I'm not trying to denigrate your experience of the pandemic. It sounds like it was quite horrendous and a traumatic experience for you, as it was for many of us. But please don't rubbish other peoples stories ... their experiences are just as valid. Anyway, let's move on ... enjoy your New Year, have a glass of your favourite tipple and lets toast to good health for all.
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I suppose my experience is still with my own Mother in Dec 2019 and my nephew many months later claiming she died of Covid.
She was in a respiratory ward with 20% lung capacity for at least three weeks but caught pneumonia.
She was allowed home and she died in my arms.
I'm sure you would agree with the following (maybe) -
My main argument is during that 3 weeks and her time at home there were at least 10 family and friends visiting her, cuddling her, kissing her etc.
With a virus has deadly as Covid surely at least one of us would have caught it?
At one point is was 24/7 care in her own home for some of us.
Three months later I'm getting 19 on the NHS Occupational Health questionnaire filled in by my boss, 9 was seriously at risk and he's ordering me home.
I just can't see how if my Mum had Covid in December 2019, how one of us didn't get it knowing how it was ravaging the public by late February/March.
And if my Mum had got Covid in a ward full of patients with bad respiratory problems, surely it would have raced through that ward with no Clinician knowing what was going on with extra RIPs than usual?
First of all, sorry to hear about your mum's passing in late 2019. Obviously, as I don't have access to her medical records, and wasn't treating her, I can't say if she had COVID or not. Most infections at the end of 2019 probably weren't COVID ... it just wasn't widespread in the UK at that time, but it did exist. In my region there was a large uptick in severe viral illnesses requiring hospitilisation from early January onward ; whilst routine PCR testing ( for COVID ) didn't exist at that time we were able to exclude other common viruses eg. influenza, RSV, coxsackie etc on the basis of serological testing and direct microscopy.
As for patient-to-patient spread, it was more fickle than you'd expect. Throughout the pandemic we had non-COVID wards where there would be sporadic outbreaks. Within a bay there could be a handful affected, but there was often one or two patients who were completely asymptomatic. Ironically, it was sometimes the frail elderly and immunocompromised who fared best : COVID takes advantage of a "strong" immune response to cause its cytokine storm - which then wreaks havoc causing multi-organ damage and complications. In someone with a weak immune system, they may just not mount any response ... saving them from the worst of the illness. What we found, was in the elderly/immunocompromised who did succumb, it was often in week 3 ( as opposed to the the typical 7-10 days in younger adults ) where the rapid decline occurred.
My grandad in his 90s had COVID and mostly it just made him irritable and not hugely symptomatic probably due to a frail immune system, but was infectious, very infectious, for 18-19 days. Was quite frustrating as friends/family would be dismissive "oh he won't be infectious now" after 3-4 days had past, visiting him and then all going down with it despite us telling them he was still infecting people.
Interestingly I was very likely exposed to earlier strains of COVID several times without getting it, then Omicron came along and I didn't stand a chance - likewise for many of my family who didn't seem to pick up earlier strains despite exposure but we all got the same lot of Omicron doing the rounds.
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I was in hospital from March 2020 for about six months so missed out on most of the social media stuff so I missed the dancing thing. What was it all about?
It's when TikTok first became really popular in the UK and was still mostly being used for lip-syncing and dancing videos
Thank you!
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While working with death all around them for hours on end they thought it was a good idea during a well earned break to perform dance videos to lighten the mood - it backfired massively.
Never in my life have I ever seen so many brainy people lose it collectively except for voting every election for politicians and thinking it works.