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Crashing while in game on a new system (some advice please guys)
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Will do it when I get hone, this is proving to be a nightmare lol
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I see some discrepancy on VIN6 between my 9590 and yours, other comparative readings are the same or similar. I do not now what VIN6 relates to and will try to find out. Anyone know?
If you want to trust message me your email, I could send my version of HWMonitor to you tonight and see if that provides additional information.
Set everything to stock then,
My settings for DIGI with CPU vcore of 1.418V at 4.7GHz (23.5 x 200) CPU/NB voltage 1.25V.
CPU LLC - Ultra high
CPU/NB LLC - High
CPU Current capability - 130%
CPU/NB Current capability - 120%
CPU power phase control - Extreme
Disable CPU spread spectrum
Disable turbo (initially)
You could also try upping VDDA to 2.6V
Set your ram to 1.65V and with all the correct timings manually.
good luck, andy.
If you want to trust message me your email, I could send my version of HWMonitor to you tonight and see if that provides additional information.
Set everything to stock then,
My settings for DIGI with CPU vcore of 1.418V at 4.7GHz (23.5 x 200) CPU/NB voltage 1.25V.
CPU LLC - Ultra high
CPU/NB LLC - High
CPU Current capability - 130%
CPU/NB Current capability - 120%
CPU power phase control - Extreme
Disable CPU spread spectrum
Disable turbo (initially)
You could also try upping VDDA to 2.6V
Set your ram to 1.65V and with all the correct timings manually.
good luck, andy.
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Ok lets get the point here, it looks like a multitude of issues (probably all my fault for not looking into it enough)
Look at these reviews
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-360-AM&tool=3
my main concern is my motherboard cannot handle this CPU properly at stock. I know some people have said my main board is fine however....
''this CPU needs 220W TDP''.....my main board does NOT provide this, as previously pointed out by -Marine-RX179- , so would this not be the main cause of my issue?
If not please elaborate.
Also another review stating I need a PSU 800W or above.. I'm rocking a 750W so there is anything potential problem.
I think the only reason the temps are so high is because of the amount of work I am making all my components do.
I could be wrong but that is honestly how it seems right now.
Look at these reviews
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-360-AM&tool=3
my main concern is my motherboard cannot handle this CPU properly at stock. I know some people have said my main board is fine however....
''this CPU needs 220W TDP''.....my main board does NOT provide this, as previously pointed out by -Marine-RX179- , so would this not be the main cause of my issue?
If not please elaborate.
Also another review stating I need a PSU 800W or above.. I'm rocking a 750W so there is anything potential problem.
I think the only reason the temps are so high is because of the amount of work I am making all my components do.
I could be wrong but that is honestly how it seems right now.
Soldato
One of those reviews is mine I think (4 stars 'cos nothing is perfect).
I have a seasonic x-650 gold PSU. I have a Radeon 7870XT GPU (185w), 16GB of mixed ram, 3 x SSD and the 9590.
My overclocked 8350 (4.7) ran at about the same wattage as the 9590 (4.7) does when at full load. Also only a little more than my mates overclocked i7-2600 at load.
My 9590 runs at 0.08V less than the 8350 did!
I have seen a maximum of 450watts (at the wall) using prime 95 (CPU) and heaven benchmark (GPU) concurrently on the 8350, I believe that the 9590 would not be vastly different.
I think that it is the settings that need refining. However the option remains I suppose to sell the 9590 and get an 83** instead.
EDIT Case facts.
I have a case with 2 x 140 intakes and 3 x 120 exhaust all running at 500 - 1000rpm depending on load.
I have a seasonic x-650 gold PSU. I have a Radeon 7870XT GPU (185w), 16GB of mixed ram, 3 x SSD and the 9590.
My overclocked 8350 (4.7) ran at about the same wattage as the 9590 (4.7) does when at full load. Also only a little more than my mates overclocked i7-2600 at load.
My 9590 runs at 0.08V less than the 8350 did!
I have seen a maximum of 450watts (at the wall) using prime 95 (CPU) and heaven benchmark (GPU) concurrently on the 8350, I believe that the 9590 would not be vastly different.
I think that it is the settings that need refining. However the option remains I suppose to sell the 9590 and get an 83** instead.
EDIT Case facts.
I have a case with 2 x 140 intakes and 3 x 120 exhaust all running at 500 - 1000rpm depending on load.
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That doesn't explain why undervolting your cpu and underclocking your cpu still shows masdive spikes in package temps. Unless the board is faulty it should easily manage that 4ghz at 1.35v. Maybe you'd be best returning the board and cpu and getting a gigabyte 990fx ud3 and a fx8320e/fx8320
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That confirms it is less likely to be my power unit.
The cooler worked on my other setup fine. there is no way it can be that to be honest.
What options do I have if I go for a different main board?
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Actually looking at your latest screenshot, I think there's definitely some problem with the cooling, as there's no way the temp of the CPU should be that high when in bios.
I think there's definitely something need to be check about your H90. I own the H105 myself, so I have some idea on how the H90 should work as well.
Theses AIO units are not difficult to mount at all, since securing them up only require tightening the 4 screws, so contact wise shouldn't be an issue I would assume. Moving on, there's the pump and the fans...
1. The pump H90 is powered by the 3pin fan header like connector, plugging onto the motherboard- fan header on the motherboard which which the pump is connector to...have you made sure that particular header is not under Q-fan speed control? Asus's otherboard's Q-fan speed control feature which you can select different fan speed profile (which use different level of voltage) to control the speed of the fans connected to Chasis fans's fan-header on the motherboard. If you are powering the pump from the fan-header, you have to make sure the Q-fan feature is disable so it would provide full power to the pump, rather than reduced voltage.
2. The fans of the H90- where are they connected to on the motherboard? The CPU fan-headers? Like the Chasis Fans, the CPU fan-headers would have Q-fan feature as well...and to make sure the fans running on full speed with the features disabled, or at least being ran on "turbo" profile rather than at the lower fan speed on "standard" or "silent".
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The Asus Sabertooth says
- Supports CPU up to 8 cores
- Supports CPU up to 140 W <---isn't this the TDP? if so then its not enough
I will look into this further tonight, I am taking my system round to a friend who works in a custom store (so he knows his stuff) I will refer everything in this thread to him as well and hopefully I can just move on with getting this sorted.
He is a last resort before I start crying to OC about needing to change stuff lol..
The sabertooth is a digi 8+2 in comparison to yours which is a 6+2.
It supports fx9590's, or high voltage overclocked fx83**'s.
I'm more of a gigabyte guy myself but Asus made some good boards.
No offense but spending anymore on a higher board such as a Crosshair formula is a waste of money for someone who just wants to run a stock cpu on an entry level aio cooler. When you're spending £175 on an outdated am3+ board to run a factory overclocked fx9590 that also has a mark up, you also need expensive custom cooling to justify the purchase of the m-board, otherwise the overclocking potential is just an unused expensive feature. Then finally after spending all of that money and you mange to top out at 5/5.1ghz, with the minimal gains in gaming fps, you have to ask yourself if the money would have been better spent on a 990xa ud3 and an fx8320/e
In comparison sometimes the intel situation can be more appealing cost effective.
Good luck and keep us posted on your result
It supports fx9590's, or high voltage overclocked fx83**'s.
I'm more of a gigabyte guy myself but Asus made some good boards.
No offense but spending anymore on a higher board such as a Crosshair formula is a waste of money for someone who just wants to run a stock cpu on an entry level aio cooler. When you're spending £175 on an outdated am3+ board to run a factory overclocked fx9590 that also has a mark up, you also need expensive custom cooling to justify the purchase of the m-board, otherwise the overclocking potential is just an unused expensive feature. Then finally after spending all of that money and you mange to top out at 5/5.1ghz, with the minimal gains in gaming fps, you have to ask yourself if the money would have been better spent on a 990xa ud3 and an fx8320/e
In comparison sometimes the intel situation can be more appealing cost effective.
Good luck and keep us posted on your result
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About this, I would worry too much about it for now, as it could be simply the case of the rating was released before these "superclocked 220TDP" AMD CPUs, like how some external HDD enclosure only listing as "support HDD up to 1.5TB", but they can actually support even 3TB and 4TB HDD, but the spec still listed as up to 1.5TB due to the enclosure's release pre-date the 3TB and 4TB HDD.
I think Davedree mentioning that your board officially support the 9590 with the latest bios or something, so it should be fine.
The temp in the latest HW Monitor looks fine...for the CPU at least. If you are crashing at those temp, then it's probably not caused by overheating.
If the error on your previous prime result was any indication, it could be as I said very early on that one of your CPU core is unstable at the stock voltage. Yes it can be an annoying issue, like when I was overclocking my old Q6600 CPU back then, most people only need around 1.44V-1.46V for a stable overclock at 3.60GHz, but for my particular Q6600, it had one weak core and I ended up having to go up to 1.50V to stablise that overclock, despite the other 3 cores works fine at lower voltage under prime with no error...
I'm not saying for sure this is your problem, I'm just saying it is a possibility.
By the way, have you tried reducing the CPU clock yet? Like dropping it down to 4.50GHz or 4.60GHz for example?
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Soldato
I'm going to say it's a problem with the cooling and not the PSU or Mobo. I have the same mobo and although it has 6+2 power phases they are strong power phases that are well cooled. I have got up to 1.5v on this board without any problems at all.
My gut feeling is that it's a dodgy cooler. Either it has air in the rad, it's not mounted to the CPU tight enough, bad application of thermal paste, bad pump or weak fans.
My gut feeling is that it's a dodgy cooler. Either it has air in the rad, it's not mounted to the CPU tight enough, bad application of thermal paste, bad pump or weak fans.
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Update
So I can confirm the following..
It is not the graphics card causing the issue, tested my 960 and a couple other cards, no change in the issues I was having.
The cooler works 100%, there is NO problem with this what so ever. tested several coolers and got the same problem, also used my current cooler on other high end spec builds just to be sure.
I tried some different RAM as well just for the hell of it, obviously no change when I tested.
Doesn't look like it's the PSU either.
That being said it's now either the CPU or the main board. I will RMA the main board and go for a better board that is more suited for the processor.
Thanks for all your help guys, it's been appreciated but it does look like it's the board that is causing the issue (despite the temperatures we were seeing) problem with computers is that every issue if different even if symptoms are the same.
I will update next week when it comes in and I have tested again.
So I can confirm the following..
It is not the graphics card causing the issue, tested my 960 and a couple other cards, no change in the issues I was having.
The cooler works 100%, there is NO problem with this what so ever. tested several coolers and got the same problem, also used my current cooler on other high end spec builds just to be sure.
I tried some different RAM as well just for the hell of it, obviously no change when I tested.
Doesn't look like it's the PSU either.
That being said it's now either the CPU or the main board. I will RMA the main board and go for a better board that is more suited for the processor.
Thanks for all your help guys, it's been appreciated but it does look like it's the board that is causing the issue (despite the temperatures we were seeing) problem with computers is that every issue if different even if symptoms are the same.
I will update next week when it comes in and I have tested again.
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Glad to hear you have a better idea about what's what's...after you have taken your system your your friend (?) who know more about PC.
Hope your problem will resolve once the motherboard has been replaced.
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Not saying he knows more than people here, but he knows more than me
Also was able to test everything properly as there were other parts available to change out enabling me to narrow down the cause of the issue.
Yeah I hope it gets resolved too! *fingers crossed*
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Yea, that's what I meant. With spare parts available for testing purpose, it helps a lot in fault-finding via elimination on possible cause of fault.Not saying he knows more than people here, but he knows more than me
Also was able to test everything properly as there were other parts available to change out enabling me to narrow down the cause of the issue.
Yeah I hope it gets resolved too! *fingers crossed*