I'd imagine if the Corsair AIO is seated correctly, PWM fan running correctly, pump working correctly it is more than capable as I'd imagine it will be much much better than the stock cooler that chip would be sent out with?
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I'd imagine if the Corsair AIO is seated correctly, PWM fan running correctly, pump working correctly it is more than capable as I'd imagine it will be much much better than the stock cooler that chip would be sent out with?
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Actually you just reminded me...what voltage would the FX9590 be running at? I know someone overclocking a FX8350 would try to find the bare minimal voltage sweet spot to fine-tune their FX8320/FX8350 to run stably at their overclock, but for a the 9590, wouldn't AMD be smacking on a high voltage than necessary to make it more likely to run at 4.70 stable for any given FX8 chip?
I'm just recalling from my memory of reviews of FX8350 back when they were launched, and overclocking up to 4.50-4.60GHz was still fine, but once beyond 4.60GHz, the power consumption become much crazier and shoot through the roof, and heat/temp increase substantially as well...
The 9590 doesn't ship with a cooler and sold as chip only if I'm not mistaken...
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Actually I just noticed this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-360-AM
"Voltage: 1.4125v - 1.6500v"
This could be why the OP's 9590 is running hotter than someone's fine-tuned overclocked FX8350...
So basically if the particular 9590 was an unfortunate "duff chip", up to 1.6-1.65v would be used?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-360-AM
"Voltage: 1.4125v - 1.6500v"
This could be why the OP's 9590 is running hotter than someone's fine-tuned overclocked FX8350...
So basically if the particular 9590 was an unfortunate "duff chip", up to 1.6-1.65v would be used?
This tool will show the p-states of ops fx9590
http://www.vrworld.com/2013/04/09/amdmsrtweaker-v11-released2c-trinity-support-inside/
From hwmonitor the most I saw was 1.46v which is average.
2013 silicon is more refined than early 2012 release silicon.
http://www.vrworld.com/2013/04/09/amdmsrtweaker-v11-released2c-trinity-support-inside/
From hwmonitor the most I saw was 1.46v which is average.
2013 silicon is more refined than early 2012 release silicon.
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In regards to the above, is it safe to say this IS an overheating issue and that my motherboard is indeed okay?
Will I need to underclock my CPU?
and I take it you want me to use that tool?
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theres 3 temps on those chips you need to worry about - the package , the socket and the vrm`s.
now I had a sabertooth 990FX with 8+2 vrm`s and they got very very warm , the point when I was overclocking 5ghz on all cores needed active cooling on them (andy made me a flexible 120mm fan to direct air at the heatsink)
socket temp got warm as well - its because the package is at the top end of what the silicon can do
IMO , I think your maxing the boards power with cooling and the vrm`s are falling over.
now I had a sabertooth 990FX with 8+2 vrm`s and they got very very warm , the point when I was overclocking 5ghz on all cores needed active cooling on them (andy made me a flexible 120mm fan to direct air at the heatsink)
socket temp got warm as well - its because the package is at the top end of what the silicon can do
IMO , I think your maxing the boards power with cooling and the vrm`s are falling over.
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Going by Davedree's comment on his experience on using a similar board overclocking his FX8, I would say your motherboard should be fine.
As for the temp, there's no harm to check to make sure if your H90 is probably tighten down,, checking the rad to make sure it is hot and pump is working etc as Dave have suggested.
But I would say, may it be overheating, or if the CPU is not getting enough voltage for running at the stock clock, lowering the CPU would solve the problem either way...that's just my two cents.
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FX8350 on Crosshair V formula at 4.76GHz Phanteks air cooled 1.5V
FX9590 on Crosshair V Formula at stock heligon HE01 air cooled 1.41V
I would try ramping up the CPU LLC to ultra high, overcurrent to 130%, similarly CPU/NB to high and 120%. Set CPU to 1.42 - 1.45 max and all stock settings. Ram to 1.65V and all settings from ram label.
FX9590 on Crosshair V Formula at stock heligon HE01 air cooled 1.41V
I would try ramping up the CPU LLC to ultra high, overcurrent to 130%, similarly CPU/NB to high and 120%. Set CPU to 1.42 - 1.45 max and all stock settings. Ram to 1.65V and all settings from ram label.
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You know I was looking at this again whilst at work, and like Cheesyboy he's noticed that hwmonitor isn't showing the whole information, like when a chipset doesn't support the latest hwmonitor. This seems related to when a cpu works in a motherboard but isn't supported. Whilst the fx9590 works I think it's bios string prevents the real details from being displayed,
Op is the motherboard actually an M5A99X EVO R2.0 and not a M5a99fx pro r 2.0 ?
Op is the motherboard actually an M5A99X EVO R2.0 and not a M5a99fx pro r 2.0 ?
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Yes it is, I was using this cooler on my previous setup.
Davedree, the exact mobo I ordered from here is as follows:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-560-AS
Thanks, yeah It can be seen it's the m5a99fx pro r.20 just missing the f in the advert.
This board as we've already said is only a 6+2 phase, but as long as it has the latest bios installed then it does officially support fx9370 and 9590, with good cooling.
Is the radiator and heatsink hot to touch, when stress testing ?
This board as we've already said is only a 6+2 phase, but as long as it has the latest bios installed then it does officially support fx9370 and 9590, with good cooling.
Is the radiator and heatsink hot to touch, when stress testing ?
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I am not 100% sure if I have the latest bios installed so that will be next on the list.
I just tried the first stress test on Prime95 and crashed out around 85C
the pump feels like its working, the water is warm. the rads and grill are 'warm' at best......
.....so time to reseat?
Is it possible I have applied too much paste and its causing a gap?
Almost certainly a heat issue. 85C is way too hot, even for an FX. I've always aimed to keep mine below 60C ([email protected]). With my current setup it never goes above 45C under load.
Your cooler is certainly up to the task when working correctly, so the issue appears to be with transferring the heat from the CPU to the block to the radiator and into the air.
Is your rad configured as intake or exhaust?
Your cooler is certainly up to the task when working correctly, so the issue appears to be with transferring the heat from the CPU to the block to the radiator and into the air.
Is your rad configured as intake or exhaust?
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configured? o.o
I'll be honest when this was on my other board, it was already pre configured I'm guessing?
Before that I've always had a Zalman heatsink + fan (but that was back on my DDR2 setup)
So do I configure in the bios?
I ran the tool for you. Don't know if this will help at all.
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Oh, out.
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The HWmonitor that I have used above is 1.23.0 driver version 136 which I have had since 2013, seems to work fine for the FX series although it is more to do with the chipset on the motherboard.
I had my FX8350 in an ASUS M5A99x R1.0 motherboard when I first had it, It was 2012 silicon, one of the first. The mobo / CPU would bench at 5GHz readily x264, cinebench etc. But would only prime at 4.5GHz I could prime on 4 workers at 4.9GHz. I could game at 4.7GHz.
Therefore I believe that the motherboard is fine and the cooler is suspect. I far prefer large air coolers (or custom water) however I am back to air cooling now. I would go for a Phanteks twin tower over any AIO cooler out there. The heligon is good, but I got it as B grade.
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Literally about to upgrade my bios and chip-set now (if they are not current already)
Thanks for your feedback on the cooler also!
I ran the tool for you. Don't know if this will help at all.
Great thanks, I've learnt something from your cpu too, it seems the fx9590 does have the peak 5ghz p-state p0. But it doesn't have a half load 4.8ghz turbo at p-state p1, instead it's 4.7ghz, and 4.5ghz baseclock, Looks like my sources were wrong.
Ok well you're peak cpu v-core is 1.475v which if don't have LLC enabled in your bios would relate to the vdroop seen at 1.46v shown in hwmonitor.
I'm not suggesting to replace your psu, but just to be aware that in my experience of excessive temperatures many years ago. My psu was once the cause of instability and stupidly high temperatures. I replaced the psu with a better one and the temps and stability was cured. So could be something to look at if you have a spare psu or someone you can swap with to test.
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Back to the PSU again haha damnit
Well put it this way, I am about to update my bios, then I'll reseat my Cooler.
If I get nothing after that I will have to cave in and get a new PSU.
Just so I am clear, my rad/grill needs to be HOT when stress testing yes?