Creative = For Shame

james.miller · 2 Apr 2008 at 16:58

Scougar said:
I have the xtreme fatalit1y edition, and would be mega phished to know that they are disabling features when it is what I paid for (2nd hand however). (thankfully ati drivers are stopping Vista from even working so can't use Vista anyway with my 3870 d'oh!)

That DDL on the X-FI is interesting though. Does that mean this feature is the same as the old Nvidia NF2 Sound Force chips that encode to DDL on the fly so you can output to a proper DD amp?

Matthew

it was called D.I.C.E on the NF2 boards but yes its the same thing in principal

Hen_Dawg · 2 Apr 2008 at 18:08

daniel_k said:
Creative purposedly modified the Audigy drivers to disable some features when Vista is detected and also purposedly introduced some bugs to prevent some XP utilities from running.

The cheek of them!

Final8y · 2 Apr 2008 at 18:48

Some XF-i info

http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=121713
Some X-fi 2 info
Asus shows off HDMI-equipped Xonar DX and Xonar AV1 sound cards link in thread.

Si MPS · 2 Apr 2008 at 19:39

am i the only one using vista x64 with an x-fi and having no problems at all?

Hen_Dawg · 2 Apr 2008 at 20:17

Si MPS said:
am i the only one using vista x64 with an x-fi and having no problems at all?

No. But you're one of the annoying smug ones the majority hate

HamZilla · 3 Apr 2008 at 15:23

As Auzentech pay Creative for the X-Fi license, if enough people buy them will this be enough to keep Creative afloat?
Or will the backlash mean Auzentech products will be boycotted until they sever all links with Creative?

Bring Back Gravis Ultrasound!! Wavetables ***

MikeHunt79 · 3 Apr 2008 at 15:54

I wouldn't worry about the politics, just buy a card your happy with...

AtomicBanana · 6 Apr 2008 at 00:51

MikeHunt79 said:
I wouldn't worry about the politics, just buy a card your happy with...

Well I think to be fair, the two are quite related. Maybe at first you'd be happy with whatever creative card you had. But you're certainly going to be less happy if you found out they were deliberately screwing up features on your card to 'encourage' you to buy the new one.

Final8y · 6 Apr 2008 at 08:51

AtomicBanana said:
Well I think to be fair, the two are quite related. Maybe at first you'd be happy with whatever creative card you had. But you're certainly going to be less happy if you found out they were deliberately screwing up features on your card to 'encourage' you to buy the new one.

Yep buy an xfi 2 for vista, buy xfi 3 for windows 7 ect...

There is no need for them to be doing this except for greed.

v0n · 6 Apr 2008 at 10:02

The only reason why I keep buying Creative products is because I need cards with break out boxes/live drives (handy for video and audio editing stuff with various connectors). If anyone can suggest another card with break out box that works under vista my X-Fi goes bye bye next week.

badbob · 6 Apr 2008 at 13:06

^Any stereo pre-amp - or av amp if you need 5.1, with any standard (even onboard audio) And at least you can keep the pre-amp for dozens of soundcard upgrades, rather than buying one all the time.

titaniumx3 · 6 Apr 2008 at 16:11

Even though I've never had a problem with my x-fi (in xp), I must say, this is apalling.

I will definitely look out for alternatives next time.

Cavallino · 6 Apr 2008 at 16:28

Ive had a few minor problems with the XFi but all sorted.
However this incident will make me think about purchasing Creative products in the future. May even consider to utilise onboard audio next time!

MikeHunt79 · 6 Apr 2008 at 18:19

Cavallino said:
Ive had a few minor problems with the XFi but all sorted.
However this incident will make me think about purchasing Creative products in the future. May even consider to utilise onboard audio next time!

Onboard can be ok if you use the optical or spdif out. Analogue outs often leave something to be desired tho. Also, onboard is often useless for ASIO apps.

Delvis · 6 Apr 2008 at 18:39

I've been using onboard for god knows how many years now!

Keep meaning to buy a decent card, then just...forget. I've always been weiry of getting the X-fi's due to hearing about so many breaking and not working properly. But all this put the icing on the cake really!

Would it be worth to have a sound card though? If all I do is game and have a bit of music on the comp...?

MikeHunt79 · 6 Apr 2008 at 19:21

Delvis said:
I've been using onboard for god knows how many years now!

Keep meaning to buy a decent card, then just...forget. I've always been weiry of getting the X-fi's due to hearing about so many breaking and not working properly. But all this put the icing on the cake really!

Would it be worth to have a sound card though? If all I do is game and have a bit of music on the comp...?

It depends on how important sound is to you. Personally I spent more on my sound card than on my GFX card...

Also, there is no point in getting something totally wizz bang like the Emu 1616m, then only connecting it to crappy PC speakers... What speakers or headphones are you using?

Delvis · 6 Apr 2008 at 20:00

Well sounds important yes...But I only have some old Labtec speakers I brought ages ago, literally two speakers and sub.

I'm more for getting a card just to offload work from the comp so to speak...Just let the card do its thing in the background.

gadgets · 7 Apr 2008 at 21:43

helmutcheese said:
If you even post anything negative you will be on your way to a ban.

you talking about there or here?

Greebo · 7 Apr 2008 at 23:02

Gimpymoo said:
http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=120975

So a backtrack from Creative after they realise they have upset most of their paying public?

Smells of damage control to me and even then they left it WAY to late. I hope Daniel_K tells them to get stuffed.

AND theyve edited the post on the original thread.

And now deleted so have they backtracked their backtrack?

hohum · 8 Apr 2008 at 00:29

They're just trying to brush the whole thing under the carpet, I'd be very surprised if they provided a proper response to the recent criticism they've faced (saying that they will support third party modders is not the answer people wanted).

Once it's blown over, it'll be business as usual, and that'll be when their XFI 2 card appears, ready to make mugs of more people who are unaware of just how shoddy a company they have become in recent years.