Criticise the Saudis and you go home in pieces

Isn't the recording from Khashoggi's apple watch which he turned on before he went in? Apparently uploaded to the cloud and handed over by his girlfriend?

Allegedly has recorded conversation of them realising after they killed him that he was recording. Without the pin there was very little they could do to delete it. They even tried his finger prints which don't work on an Apple Watch
 
balky12 said:
Isn't the recording from Khashoggi's apple watch which he turned on before he went in? Apparently uploaded to the cloud and handed over by his girlfriend?

Allegedly has recorded conversation of them realising after they killed him that he was recording. Without the pin there was very little they could do to delete it. They even tried his finger prints which don't work on an Apple Watch
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Either it's the Apple watch or the Turks had the Saudi under surveillance. The Americans deemed it legit.

Then again Turkish history recent and past when it comes to Journalists is far from spotless.
 
Nasher said:
It did look like that Prince was going to modernise SA for a while. Now they went and did a Russia :/
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He's probably more of a moderniser than Kashoggi, who was a die-hard Islamist and supporter of terrorist groups (although he thought it was better for Islam to conquer the world through politics and migration).

Turkey bugging embassies is also pretty questionable in all this. How many others have they bugged I wonder...
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All of them, I expect. Bugging embassies is probably routine for most countries. Why wouldn't it be? The only rule is to not get caught, but even that's not too hard and fast. If I'm bugging your embassy and you're bugging my embassy, neither of us are likely to make much of a fuss if we find the bugs.
 
balky12 said:
Isn't the recording from Khashoggi's apple watch which he turned on before he went in? Apparently uploaded to the cloud and handed over by his girlfriend?

Allegedly has recorded conversation of them realising after they killed him that he was recording. Without the pin there was very little they could do to delete it. They even tried his finger prints which don't work on an Apple Watch
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It isn't clear whether it is just that or if it is both... I mean you can listen into conversations etc.. in buildings from a distance too without needing to plant listening devices, their might well have been a surveillance team doing just that, especially if the room he was in had windows.

It wouldn't be surprising if they got sloppy re: the watch... a not particularly switched on security official robotically just asking for his mobile phone when he entered and not thinking about the watch.

The data from the local telecoms companies could be interesting to, depending on when they noticed the smart watch, if they have his watch moving from the consulate to the consulate generals' office then that could be a real gotcha moment. Though presumably it is noticed in the consulate itself. Still if they track is mobile phone and watch signals and they both stop in the Consulate then that is further evidence requiring an explanation from the Saudis.

Of course the Saudis have just gone for the Russian approach of denying the obvious and pretending they're interested in investigating the incident. Some vague claim of how he's exited via the back door etc.. they could quite easily show footage of him leaving.

I guess as this isn't Russia then, unsurprisingly, we don't have the usual shills/CT types trying to present laughable "alternatives" re: false flag scenarios, or trying to deny the facts known so far as we have seen in the Salisbury case.
 
dowie said:
I guess as this isn't Russia then, unsurprisingly, we don't have the usual shills/CT types trying to present laughable "alternatives" re: false flag scenarios, or trying to deny the facts known so far as we have seen in the Salisbury case.
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I tried...
 
ianh said:
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As an example I taught a group of Saudi nationals on a course in the UK about the maintenance of a large filing cabinet size piece of aviation test equipment. After going through the circuit diagrams for a few weeks, gaining a view of the whole system, I started "breaking" things to show them simple Fault Finding techniques and, despite knowing everything in the circuit, after a day they asked me to stop and instead wanted a book making with a list of every single possible fault which could ever happen with the equipment and telling them exactly what they needed to change (not repair only replace) to fix it because they couldn't make the mental leap from knowing a simple linear "how a system works" to "if it breaks what do I do to fix it" - this wasn't the teams "fault" they'd just never had an education which taught them the "why" as much as the simpler "it just does".
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Sounds like the typical mechanic in a typical "Authorised" car dealership garage - with the possible exception that they would randomly replace things (starting with the most expensive) until the problem went away.
 
Angilion said:
He's probably more of a moderniser than Kashoggi, who was a die-hard Islamist and supporter of terrorist groups (although he thought it was better for Islam to conquer the world through politics and migration).



All of them, I expect. Bugging embassies is probably routine for most countries. Why wouldn't it be? The only rule is to not get caught, but even that's not too hard and fast. If I'm bugging your embassy and you're bugging my embassy, neither of us are likely to make much of a fuss if we find the bugs.
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If you find the bugs and they don't know you've found them they are now a useful asset to you to feed information false or otherwise to them secretly
 
stockhausen said:
Sounds like the typical mechanic in a typical "Authorised" car dealership garage - with the possible exception that they would randomly replace things (starting with the most expensive) until the problem went away.
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Not to derail this thread any more but a Saudi guy I work with had that exact thing happen. He had a "check engine" message so he took some leave to go back home to Riyadh (1300km!) with his broken car and said he'd get it fixed there. When he came back I asked if it was right now and he said Yeap, they fixed "it". When I asked what "it" was he said the whole engine had been replaced by the dealer, and probably over something as minor as a broken sensor (the car still drove!).

It's a fun place to work when your entire method of thinking and attitude to work is the complete opposite to theirs, but at least it keeps me in a job :D
 
Malevolence said:
Not really, as we don't get much oil from Saudi Arabia at all. We could easily make that shortfall up by other means.

https://www.statista.com/statistics...import-origin-countries-to-united-kingdom-uk/
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Think about it.

They supply the majority of oil.

We don't nessecerilly buy it from them.

But there's only a certain amount of oil and everyone who buys it can't afford to stop.

Can you see how they could punish us even if we aren't a direct customer?

For instance at the next opec meeting they reduce production.

We might. Not buy it from them but the people w to used to will be competing with us at our suppliers then
 
Agent Orange vows 'severe punishment' if the Saudis did really torture and kill Jamal Khashoggi - of course, he will not do anything that might hurt red-neck jobs or reduce arms sales but he WILL tweet that it is “really terrible and disgusting”!
 
stockhausen said:
Agent Orange vows 'severe punishment' if the Saudis did really torture and kill Jamal Khashoggi - of course, he will not do anything that might hurt red-neck jobs or reduce arms sales but he WILL tweet that it is “really terrible and disgusting”!
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That did come across pretty pathetic.

We're going to punish those awful people, but what are we not going to do? Well we're not going to stop selling them weapons, because jobs, we'll just do something else......
 
It'll all settle down in a couple days and be brushed under the carpet. Nobody is going to cut ties with Saudi over a journalist being tortured and dismembered. Hell, all western governments love a good bit of torture themselves.

Just got to appear outraged for the cameras. What's more, we all know it.
 
NVP said:
Interesting look at the Apple watch theory: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45857777
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There is a lot of focus on the fact the watch doesn't have fingerprint touch ID itself - but IIRC the original source didn't claim that specifically only that they attempted to use his fingerprints to access his files - I'm not overly familiar with the Apple ecosystem but is it possible to use Touch ID to log into an existing account on a new device? or is it like Android where usually you have to use an existing password the first time before registering biometrics for login?
 
Minstadave said:
That did come across pretty pathetic.

We're going to punish those awful people, but what are we not going to do? Well we're not going to stop selling them weapons, because jobs, we'll just do something else......
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there's a very good chance they'll cancel the WWE event in November, that'll teach 'em.
 
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