Criticise the Saudis and you go home in pieces
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?There are some some concerns from satellite imagery that they're hiding their true estimates and that ultimately reduced production would be a spiraling mess for them if they admitted it. A regime such as the Saud's requires lying and deceit to exist, so why would they not lie about their reserves if they could?
I mean they basically lied to everyone's faces about 9/11 and just quite literally attempted to lie about their murder of Khas... whatever his name is, rather blatantly.
Apparently it could be 40% less than they say.
Frankly who cares..... nothing will change, they can crash the world economy in a blink, not that it would help them but they would do it to punish the interfering infidels......
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i doubt it, because they'll still be charged from regular ol' power stations for a while yet.
Does anyone have a link to a publication where a decent summary/timeline has been posted for this incident? Some of the reporting is trash, CNN hasn't even mentioned two flights and seems to indicate the whole team was present when he entered the consulate? Is that latter bit correct or is it lazy reporting given they haven't mentioned the two flights?
I've not got time at the moment to go read multiple sources to piece together a simple account of what is known so far, I was hoping that some reporter/journalist out there would have made an attempt at reporting the story as we know it so far?
I've not got time at the moment to go read multiple sources to piece together a simple account of what is known so far, I was hoping that some reporter/journalist out there would have made an attempt at reporting the story as we know it so far?
Soldato
Out of interest how does satellite imagery help when the reserves are many kilometres under the ground?
Caporegime
Sawn in to bits whilst still alive.
7 min audio from watch.
I completely believe it's true. I wonder on the outcome now.
7 min audio from watch.
I completely believe it's true. I wonder on the outcome now.
Caporegime
My life minus the dollars.
Caporegime
There was no real blowback for Russia for their recent trip to Salisbury and that's a country were not cosying upto.
Trump is already backing the Saudis where he can, I'm sure some story about "rogue killers" or an interrogation gone wrong will be accepted without too much fuss.
Not sure about Turkey though. They're not going to go to war over it I wouldn't have thought.
Life is cheap when it comes to international relations.
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the hypocrisy is unreal. If Iran had done something like this, every world leader would be shouting "Human rights!" "We have to invade!"
tell me... am i wrong?
tell me... am i wrong?
Soldato
I assumed when the term 'reserves' was used it meant the hydrocarbons subsurface which is the typical meaning, rather than stored crude (which will be a very small percentage vs oil reserves in the ground)
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Iran is not an ally or honoured customer of the USA or UK; in the case of the USA Iran acutely embarrassed them in the late '70s /early '80s.
As to states getting away with murder and not being criticised for it by the West, take a look at Israel.
Man of Honour
Saudi Arabia has a lot more power than Iran. It's always, always, about power. Maybe political power, maybe financial power, maybe military power, but always power. Saudi Arabia has a lot of political power and a lot of financial power, especially in "the west", so as long as there's any degree of deniability it never happened, nothing to see here. A short period of time of carefully measured public condemnation with private assurances of nothing happening. Some private businesses will temporarily reduce their direct business dealings with SA, but that's it.
I think you're a bit wrong, though. If Iran had done the same, there wouldn't have been an invasion. That wouldn't end well either militarily, politically or publically. Look how it's worked out in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. There is no good option there. You might be able to temporarily officially "win" at a high cost, but what then? Do you just leave and watch the most brutal faction fill the power vacuum? Do you remain as an occupying ruling force and become a target that unifies existing opposing factions and strengthens them, with a steady stream of your people killed by IEDs and snipers and and suicide bombers?
I don't think he is claiming there would be to be fair just that people would be shouting rhetoric about invading, etc. if it had been Iran but being SA no one talks like that.
ah yeah SPG did use that term initially, the story I think StriderX was referring to was quite a few months ago and was basically the result of satellite images of the above ground storage tanks and estimating their inventory figures from the shadows cast by the floating tops on the tanks, they believed the Saudis were lying when they claimed inventories had dropped - essentially in order to inflate prices
re: reserves, they probably have lied about those too over the years in so far as their figure for their claimed reserves hasn't shifted much since the 90s despite them having exported tens of billions of barrels over that time
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True in many respects, though Israels response is often very disproportionate. i.e. you throw stones and we'll fire bullets etc.
Unfortunately Jamal Khashoggi underestimated the reaction of Saudi Arabia, maybe thinking that because he was a fairly prominent figure in the West and the U.S that it would protect him from any reprisals. In turn the Saudi's may have underestimated the reaction from the West though I'm sure they firmly believe that their ties and money links with the West will eventually hold sway but we will see.
Well in the case of stones vs bullets, the Saud's know a thing or two about that don't they. Considering they (allegedly, i'll give them a tiny itsy bitsy level of doubt) flung several 747's at civilian/military targets 17 years ago over... god knows what, maybe the US was about to rethink it's alliance with them and the two party system being what it is allowed such a potentially treasonous act go largely unpunished.
'Twas quite unthinkable that it could be possible, until of course the election of a fat, gross, incompetent, lying scumbag off the back of potential enemy interference and seemingly willful self-immolative reasoning.
The fact is, the seemingly despotic associations of western "democracies" are losing their power and they'll be damned if it happens without casualty.
I would not whatsoever be surprised to find that Saudi's have a nuke either, if by some weird turn of events that the West wise up, they could very well use it.
In fairness there is a huge difference, the evidence against Russia while highly convincing is also (from what we know at least) completely circumstantial and in no way leads back to putin.
By comparison the case against SA on this is (assuming the leaks are true) pretty conclusive and leads straight to the ruling royal family.
Well, they were until they did something dodgy involving an embassy.
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