Crucial Anniversary: The results
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simonnance said:
I agree 100%. Being completely asynchronous it means you can get a whopping clock off a CPU even with what would, until recently, have been considered poor RAM, or you can massively overclock the RAM/timings to give you optimised system with the CPU at a lower overclock. It's one area where the extra choice does make sense.
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Anyone tell me what the tightest timings I would most likely get at around 425 FSB? 1T / 2T would appreciate the info.... thanks.
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blknoel: Which is faster then, the faster CPU bus or faster RAM frequency? The screenies aren't the same test.
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Nelly said:
At 425 I can get 4-3-3-8-1T but it won't run 3-3-3-8 for me at that even with humunga-volts.
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Okay thanks for the info, think I'm going to take a gamble with the CellShock 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 PC2-8000C4 1000MHz Dual Channel Kit.WJA96 said:
Nelly said:
The CellShocks will likely run the 425MHz 3-3-3 you're after (mine do) however not necessarily at a voltage you're going to be happy running 24/7.
(It's been stated by an OCZ employee on another forum that going above 2.2V on DDR2 for prolonged use is not advised. Yes, some manufacturers do specify RAM at higher voltage than this but they're weighing the risk of RMAs against the marketing power of the ever faster speeds and finding that it's worthwhile).
Before you spend the extra on the CellShocks though, excellent kit that it is, are you pairing it with a motherboard which is equally speedy?
IMO, running that RAM on a P965 board is a waste, given the slower 1333 strap after 400MHz, taking away all and more of the benfits of running 3-3-3 in the first place.
A 975x board is a better match but 425MHz on the faster 1066 strap is not guaranteed, requiring an above average board.
You may be ok with a 680i or RD600 board but are you certain the benefits of 3-3-3 on those are close to being worth the not-inconsiderable extra £ spent on the RAM?
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650i mate, that's where it's at.nightic said:
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Put your handbags on the floor and step away....
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nightic said:On a more serious note, £80 mobo + £280 RAM...
It's not as daft as it sounds. They are effectively the same board, only the southbridge has been neutered to take away some of the extra voltage options and a couple of SATA ports have disappeared. It's a very, very good motherboard for the price.
It's no dafter than a £250 Abit 680i motherboard with an E6300 in it
Yeah, it's great for the money but if buying top notch RAM then going for a value priced mobo (as you say, lacking BIOS features, lacking extra SATA ports, possibly using lower grade/cheaper components than the premium boards + Asus not exactly hitting a home run with it's other 6x0i board) it makes it £360 that could probably be proportioned better, imho.WJA96 said:
Indeed.WJA96 said:It's no dafter than a £250 Abit 680i motherboard with an E6300 in it
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Lemme at him, lemme at him!WJA96 said:
Actually, i'll let OC_A64's screenie do the talkin'. Crucial 10th Ann (£200), P5N-E board (£70) and the E6300 (£110).
Kaiju said:Lemme at him, lemme at him!
Actually, i'll let OC_A64's screenie do the talkin'. Crucial 10th Ann (£200), P5N-E board (£70) and the E6300 (£110).
Eh, I was talking about the CellShock RAM at £280.
The point being that it's great stuff but not going to be worth the £70-80 more than just 'really really good' stuff for most people's rigs.
The Crucial at £200 is not so unreasonable, given that it's only £40-50 more than far inferior value kits.
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nightic said:
It doesn't lack for sensible bios features, nor overclocking options as the plentiful screenies in the 650i thread will prove. I really think the £180+ motherboards are a marketing step too far. I think £280 for RAM is too far. I definitely think £700 for a processor has always been too far. But then I have to buy 10 of everything, so I have to make economies somewhere
WJA96 said:It doesn't lack for sensible bios features, nor overclocking options as the plentiful screenies in the 650i thread will prove. I really think the £180+ motherboards are a marketing step too far. I think £280 for RAM is too far. I definitely think £700 for a processor has always been too far. But then I have to buy 10 of everything, so I have to make economies somewhere
Oh, not disagreeing, it certainly seems a good board, more so for it's price.
My concern was with buying RAM that was significantly (40%) more expensive than kits that would offer 90% of their performance.
That is to say 'good value for money' board + 'poor value for money' RAM = questionable.
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nightic said:
I'm with you now. Yes. Agreed.
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Damm good clocks...... how far can you go on that Cas3 goodness without serious overvolting? How hot do your Dimms get on 2.3V?
simonnance said:Damm good clocks...... how far can you go on that Cas3 goodness without serious overvolting? How hot do your Dimms get on 2.3V?
Hey,
Will try some more benching over the weekend and let you know
At 2.3V they're hot to the touch... not too hot to hold, but right on the brink... at a rough guess I'd say 60-70Celcius.
I think they're warrantied up to 2.4V so I'll use that as my limit.
I did manage 1000 @ 4-4-4-12 2T, again at 2.3V, I don't think that's anywhere near pushing it though. Could probably do that with lower volts. Really haven't messed around too much yet.