Crusader Kings 3 - Paradox Interactive

No way on earth am I pre-ordering this. The only game I broke my pre-ordering embrago for (active since the Rome TW 2 debacle) was Imperator and that was a shallow, half finished disaster. Now for the "deluxe" edition they want £75 to pay for as yet unnounced DLC...:rolleyes:

I'll wait until it's heavily discounted and something like finished.
 
Question 7: What kind of content can we expect post-launch?
Our DLCs will be split between Flavor Packs and Major Expansions.
  • Flavor Packs - SRP $6.99: in-game content focused on a theme or a region.
  • Major Expansions - SRP $29.99: larger, meatier expansions with content and mechanics to expand and enrich your experience.
  • Free Updates: As usual, each Major Expansion will be accompanied by a free update that will provide new features, fixes and changes to improve our players’ experience.

So basically the full DLC's will be £30.

lmfao.
 
Question 7: What kind of content can we expect post-launch?
Our DLCs will be split between Flavor Packs and Major Expansions.
  • Flavor Packs - SRP $6.99: in-game content focused on a theme or a region.
  • Major Expansions - SRP $29.99: larger, meatier expansions with content and mechanics to expand and enrich your experience.
  • Free Updates: As usual, each Major Expansion will be accompanied by a free update that will provide new features, fixes and changes to improve our players’ experience.

So basically the full DLC's will be £30.

lmfao.

Yep. And what defines "Major Expansion"? Tech trees like HOI4? Few additional mechanics like in Stellaris?
 
They seem to be removing the "content pack" element from dlc which was just portrait packs and unit graphics, so looks like these are now going to be compulsory. The game itself looks to be becoming more graphically intense so they probably don't want anyone to be able to opt out. Makes me wonder if the expansions will actually rely on graphics additions somehow, rather than just be filler you can safely ignore. That in itself is not something I would be keen on in a grand strategy game. Other than that it will be the usual extra religions and land masses they will add, before they start to eventually add the witchcraft/occult type stuff, like they will have forgotten this exists in the current game and are "forced" to reinvent the wheel.
 
Yep. And what defines "Major Expansion"? Tech trees like HOI4? Few additional mechanics like in Stellaris?


Anything they like basically, it's completely ambiguous. I've probably spent £150 on EUIV and I've had my money's worth - easily. But i'm not going going to spend that and more on another PDS game, it's just got ridiculous now, at £15 and then a heavy discount, I could justify the DLC previously. At these prices? no way.

I just don't want to start down another path with another PDS game where i'm milked for years, I've also hardly played CKII which I've got a few DLC for. So I think I might just skip CKIII altogether, i've not followed development at all, so I can't be that bothered.

On top of that, there's a lot more replayability left in EUIV with mods and overhauls, especially with MEIOU and Taxes, and there's the the Bronze Age mod for IR.

Do I really need to spend another penny on PDS titles? Not really, and I agree with Republic of Play's takes an the 1.4 free update.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdtWCedFuGc

To go off on a tangent:

Is IR worth spending any more money on? I don't think so right now. My take all along was they should have gone with an EU style Empire Builder, not a CKII/EUIV mashup, the two types of games don't work well together, and we've ended up with two unsatisfying games (although I have enjoyed IR to soem degree) in one, with the added problem of spending development resources too thinly exascerbating the problem further. I find the character element unengaging and a chore, especially in a Republic where it's an ever changing cast of people who I haven't the time, energy or inclanation to keep track of, all of this takes time away from managing my nation which I enjoy microing although I have zero interest in min maxing

A character event pops up, and my inner reaction is the one I have at work when I'm interrupted "What now?, I'm busy"

To sum up central flaw in IR -it's who am I? - Because you're always the spirit of the nation onmipotent, but also always to some degree playing an RPG game. Yet, only the SOTN play has heft, the RPG element bogs the whole experience down, in an endless round of pretty meaningless short term busy work, whereas planning, managing and seeing the benefits of my efforts pay off long-term is satisfying. I can't think of a single character interaction in over 100 years of a my current Carthage play through that any any long term impact, or was in any way memorable, apart for a cicvil war which I provoked into being to see how the game would handle it.

Have they plonked a load of EU game play into CKIII? Nope, because it doesn't require it and it would not improve the game. And I think CKIII will have a much better launch than IR because it clearly has a single indentity and obviously because it's a sequel with the base game already in place.
 
No way on earth am I pre-ordering this. The only game I broke my pre-ordering embrago for (active since the Rome TW 2 debacle) was Imperator and that was a shallow, half finished disaster. Now for the "deluxe" edition they want £75 to pay for as yet unnounced DLC...:rolleyes:

I'll wait until it's heavily discounted and something like finished.
These are my thoughts exactly.

Imperator is the only game I have ever pre-ordered, and I won't be making the same mistake again.

As for the DLC costs, I was thinking the EU4: Emporer DLC looked expensive until I saw these!!

The only positive I can take from this is that I've been kicking myself ever since buying CK2, only for PDX to announce CK3 a couple of months later; as I won't be buying CK3 any time soon hopefully I can get some value for money out of it...even if I haven't got a clue what is going on most of the time (I've only got around to playing it this week) :D
 
@Darujhistan I am with you. CK3 except expensive, is the great unknown.
IR a year after is a good game, but personally I have 20 times more hours spend playing Portugal & Aztecs on EU4 than IR and 5 times more hours (playing Portugal & Aztecs in EU4) than CK2 :/
Also CK3 is barebones in some places. Byzantium is just a clone of any western country. It would have a DLC (they mentioned it on a post 4 months ago) but until that time not interested in the game. Same applies to Republics with is what have played most in CK2.

Which means it would be over a year before I get it. And is a sheer disappointment, because CK3 was the game was looking forward for 2020 alongside Port Royale 4. Now both games are big let down.
 
These are my thoughts exactly.

Imperator is the only game I have ever pre-ordered, and I won't be making the same mistake again.

As for the DLC costs, I was thinking the EU4: Emporer DLC looked expensive until I saw these!!

The only positive I can take from this is that I've been kicking myself ever since buying CK2, only for PDX to announce CK3 a couple of months later; as I won't be buying CK3 any time soon hopefully I can get some value for money out of it...even if I haven't got a clue what is going on most of the time (I've only got around to playing it this week) :D

CK2 is a great game if you get to it. Fully unpredictable if you have the right DLCs (not all needed) :D
 
@Darujhistan I am with you. CK3 except expensive, is the great unknown.
IR a year after is a good game, but personally I have 20 times more hours spend playing Portugal & Aztecs on EU4 than IR and 5 times more hours (playing Portugal & Aztecs in EU4) than CK2 :/
Also CK3 is barebones in some places. Byzantium is just a clone of any western country. It would have a DLC (they mentioned it on a post 4 months ago) but until that time not interested in the game. Same applies to Republics with is what have played most in CK2.

Which means it would be over a year before I get it. And is a sheer disappointment, because CK3 was the game was looking forward for 2020 alongside Port Royale 4. Now both games are big let down.


I'm not surprised to hear you saying it's looking bare bones in places, now way I'm buying it until '21 at the earliest and at a heavy discount, and having barely scratched the surface with CKII which I've actually spent very little on, I need to see whether the CK experience is for me, in the time I spent with the game it did feel like there wasn't much to do, probably need to play on a faster speed.

I've no experience with PR, but out of interest what's the let-down with PR4?
 
I'm not surprised to hear you saying it's looking bare bones in places, now way I'm buying it until '21 at the earliest and at a heavy discount, and having barely scratched the surface with CKII which I've actually spent very little on, I need to see whether the CK experience is for me, in the time I spent with the game it did feel like there wasn't much to do, probably need to play on a faster speed.

I've no experience with PR, but out of interest what's the let-down with PR4?

Port Royale 4 from those already in beta and youtubers doing playthoughs/previews is boring at this stage.
After you set up your automated trade routes, you have nothing to do.

PR2 has been the best game on the series and many expected PR4 to be like that, yet seems is worst than PR3. We shall see, is still in Beta but doesn't seem promising.
 
These are my thoughts exactly.

Imperator is the only game I have ever pre-ordered, and I won't be making the same mistake again.

As for the DLC costs, I was thinking the EU4: Emporer DLC looked expensive until I saw these!!

The only positive I can take from this is that I've been kicking myself ever since buying CK2, only for PDX to announce CK3 a couple of months later; as I won't be buying CK3 any time soon hopefully I can get some value for money out of it...even if I haven't got a clue what is going on most of the time (I've only got around to playing it this week) :D

I'm where you are with CK, I've some of the DLC, Reaper's Due, Conclave, Way of life, Old Gods, Sword of Islam, no Holy Fury though is said to be essential, and Horse Lords *which is free on STEAM right now by the way* ;)

Need to spend more time on it.
 
Port Royale 4 from those already in beta and youtubers doing playthoughs/previews is boring at this stage.
After you set up your automated trade routes, you have nothing to do.

PR2 has been the best game on the series and many expected PR4 to be like that, yet seems is worst than PR3. We shall see, is still in Beta but doesn't seem promising.

Well, at least you know not to spend any money on it if it goes early access.
 
I'm where you are with CK, I've some of the DLC, Reaper's Due, Conclave, Way of life, Old Gods, Sword of Islam, no Holy Fury though is said to be essential, and Horse Lords *which is free on STEAM right now by the way* ;)

Need to spend more time on it.
I'm sure I have all the DLC as I bought a bundle when it was all on sale last year.

So far I have about 20 hours in CK2, the first 10 of those we me mostly spent trying to work out what campaign settings to use form the huge list and then looking at the screen bewlidered for 30 minutes without even un-pausing the game, finally giving up and going back to EU4 :p

I need a break from EU4 so decided to give it another go, I'm really just letting the game run and responding to things that are happening at the moment but so far I'm quite enjoying it, even if I don't really understand the Feudal system, how claims and titles work, or pretty much anything that is going on, but hopefully it will start to make sense the more I persevere.

EU4 was certainly much easier to get in to than CK2.
 
ck2 was great but way too much dlc crap

might as well just rename it "DLC kings III"

their whole business plan/road map for the game is how many features can we not include in the base game so we don't run out of stuff to put in dlc
 
ck2 was great but way too much dlc crap

might as well just rename it "DLC kings III"

their whole business plan/road map for the game is how many features can we not include in the base game so we don't run out of stuff to put in dlc

Yep. Shows how bad going to be since they announced that Byzantine Empire is generic and there would be future expansion that would fix it.
Thats the central Empire in this era. (games starts 876). The biggest historical player and responsible for the crusades! Alexios I Comnenos asked for help to take back Syria from the Turks (11th century). While on 9 & 10th century Basil I & II established the Byzantine golden age.

On Islamic countries we know that most of the mechanics are just renames from the feudal system and future expansion will add their unique mechanics also.
 
The DLC is about 80% of the cost of the base game, that's just the basic edition mind you!

I still can't get over it, get stuffed PDS.

With no guarantees. If taken by recent history on other PDX Studio games, both Stellaris Federations, HOI4 Man the Guns and La Resistance who supposed to be "big expansions" broke the game and they cannot be called "big" either. We have seen more content in smaller DLCs in PDX games than with those supposed to be "big expansions".

That is why I do not trust them. Same applies to the upcoming EU4 DLC "Emperor". Most of the changes are on the free patch. I see no reason this costs £16 atm, and I have all content on EU4, CK2, Stellaris and HOI4. I will pass Emperor until sells on discount. After all EU4 goes F2P later in the year when EU5 announcement hits (PDXCON more likely).
 
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