Cyclists apopletic about law being applied to them

Don’t you live in a fairly rural area? I’m sure you posted dash cam footage of dodgy cyclists on rural roads.

How do you think these people get around to places which are more than a few miles away? :p

All those Lycra clad cyclists you see out on a weekend almost certainly have a car, probably more than one in the household.

I've lived here less than 3 years - I've previously lived in London for a few years and various other town or rural settings at various points.

Most of the cyclists I know of locally don't own a car themselves, either use the bus to get into town or someone else in their household drives but I don't know their car history and fairly small sample size.

Has been a similar story in various places I've worked though again smallish sample size, that more of those who cycle to work don't have a driving license than have.
 
Don’t you live in a fairly rural area? I’m sure you posted dash cam footage of dodgy cyclists on rural roads.

How do you think these people get around to places which are more than a few miles away? :p

All those Lycra clad cyclists you see out on a weekend almost certainly have a car, probably more than one in the household.

And especially the Lycra clad brigade, if you followed them you'll find they've all met somewhere in their expensive cars with obligatory cycle roof rack.
 
It is the most cyclists are also drivers bit I struggle to believe, sure most drivers don't cycle.



Based on the 2017 NTS:

a. 31% of the people who held driving licences also cycle;

c. 85% of the people aged 18+ who cycle also held a driving
licence;

It's a simple job to go check a few stats..

It's like that old chestnut cyclists need to a licence or do a test. Most of them already have.
 
The only people I know who cycle and don't drive are underage. I would love to know how many of the cars that overtake me safely when I am on my bike are cyclists themselves.
 
.... I've said similar before, why should the cyclist like myself, at an elevated heart rate, sometimes drastically so, with a mixture of adrenaline and fatigue and exposed to the elements be the one who makes the decision on what is or isn't a safe overtake? This is as opposed to the vehicle driver sat on their arse at a resting heart rate with none of the other drawbacks.
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Complete lack of experience and insight and sitting on your backside would seen to be a major drawback to this theory. As would repeating such a theory without actually checking basic facts.

Tbh it should be obvious to any cyclist with ANY experience that drivers have poor judgement when it comes to cyclists. So either you don't get it, or your not a cyclist, or a cyclist with very little experience.
 
The only people I know who cycle and don't drive are underage. I would love to know how many of the cars that overtake me safely when I am on my bike are cyclists themselves.

To be fair, Ive been close passed by a bloke with road bikes on his roof, dicks are dicks no matter what form of transport they use. Saying that Ive also been close passed by a driving instructor and even the police
 
Tbh it should be obvious to any cyclist with ANY experience that drivers have poor judgement when it comes to cyclists. So either you don't get it, or your not a cyclist, or a cyclist with very little experience.

It took me around 6 months to finally realise I'm the lowest of the low on the roads and for the last 12 years I act accordingly because car drivers aren't going to change. I do my best to stay out if the way of car drivers even if that means to get out of their attack mode I may mount a pavement where it's safe to do so.
 
Had two frustrating ones today.
I was ahead of a bus and in the middle of very slow moving traffic in a city center as I was going straight ahead to avoid getting hooked on a left turn after some lights ahead. Bus driver tried to pull up my inside then beeped his horn pointing at the road... Presumably because he wanted to be where I was?

Second was where a segregated cycle lane ended whilst a bus was half way from overtaking me. It then pulls straight into my path and finished the overtake with tens of cm between us...

Arrived in work wet and frustrated.
 
It's not about a defence, I know it would be their fault. They wouldn't know this. I don't care, I'm the one likely on the floor injured with a knackered irreplaceable bike worth thousands and lose fitness that would take weeks if not months to get back depending on the injury - could be more fatal.

It matters re the overtake as there is a big difference in gap required to legally pass a single cyclist compared to two with a gap in between them. It's the difference between being able to overtake and not being able to do so on many roads. If you're casually doing this chatting to your mate in z1/z2 expect the vehicle driver to be annoyed and confrontation. Why would you want to waste your time with this when out riding?

I've said similar before, why should the cyclist like myself, at an elevated heart rate, sometimes drastically so, with a mixture of adrenaline and fatigue and exposed to the elements be the one who makes the decision on what is or isn't a safe overtake? This is as opposed to the vehicle driver sat on their arse at a resting heart rate with none of the other drawbacks.

From what I've heard and seen, the cyclists who get the abuse or worse are the ones who ride defensively and think they're in control. You aren't, even if the law dictates you're in the right. There's only one winner, and that's the vehicle should you get hit. I show them respect and side with them even if they're wrong as a result.

I agree, my own experiences are that sticking deliberately out two abreast obtusely feels very wrong, I always tuck in when going through the twisties in an incline (I'm slower) so if cars suddenly come accross me mid bend, I'm maximising the escape room, and when cars are behind, I'll tuck in too, allowing them plenty of 'safe' overtaking opportunities.. What I don't do is stick out like a sore thumb and rely on drivers being on the ball, I feel more in control by creating the safe overtaking situation etc..

And having been teaching my daughter to drive and living at the edge of the Cotswolds, it's a regular occurrence to happen upon cyclists. I cycle myself, ride motorbikes and drive, so I tend to be sympathetic towards all road users, however it's eye opening with a new driver to see how much harder it is in reality to overtake cyclists riding two abreast, not only may it be miles before the road is wide enough, but when just wide enough, it takes much more care positioning the car as you are juggling 2M of clearance to the cycles to the right hand verge, distracting you from overtaking, which arguably means never overtaking if people want to get pendantic about 'safety'..

Of course, no surprise that most cyclists riding two abreast choose to flout the new rules themselves "on quiet roads or streets, moving over to the left if a faster vehicle comes up behind them, but only if they can do so safely"..

Honestly I think the new rules are stupid, they are deliberately causing more conflict IMO on both sides, Cyclists who act ignorantly and selfishly, as well as cars that expect them to now pull over when they are approaching, it sounds like the exact opposite of working together.
 
Honestly I think the new rules are stupid, they are deliberately causing more conflict IMO on both sides, Cyclists who act ignorantly and selfishly, as well as cars that expect them to now pull over when they are approaching, it sounds like the exact opposite of working together.

The problem is that if you give drivers nearly enough room to overtake they will. I was cycling winding country lanes the other day and 60%+ of people overtook me dangerously. If I was cycling in the middle of the road they wouldn't have done it in most cases. I even had a couple of classic cases where they sit behind you on a semi-safe part of the road and then get bored and overtake you coming up to a blind corner.

There is no one solution that fits all circumstances so the best thing is to try and protect the people that will come off worse in 100% of accidents.
 
I probably drive the car for around 10 miles every two weeks and the rest is cycled.

I reckon with all the food you buy, energy you use, products you buy etc you impact on the environment as much as me.

Before spouting crap you have to be squeaky clean


Ah you know what, block is better.
 
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Was cycling along the canal towpath earlier and out of nowhere 5 absolute divvy ***** on mopeds came barrelling along. Luckily I was able to get to the side and into a small gap in the hedge as they went past, but they nearly wiped out an elderly couple walking a couple of dogs.
 
Complete lack of experience and insight and sitting on your backside would seen to be a major drawback to this theory. As would repeating such a theory without actually checking basic facts.

Tbh it should be obvious to any cyclist with ANY experience that drivers have poor judgement when it comes to cyclists. So either you don't get it, or your not a cyclist, or a cyclist with very little experience.

It's not a theory, it's a question about why the cyclist should make the decision. Are they so knowledgeable that they can also quickly check the vehicle behind, or a set of vehicles, and guess the power output, weight, gearing and then overtaking ability as well? This is as opposed to the vehicle driver sat in control of it.

I don't dispute they sometimes have bad judgement, but you aren't going to change that by how you ride. It's really basic to understand - if an unknown in a vehicle following you can potentially kill you if they hit you, before that happens, do you want them to think your showing respect or do you want them annoyed about the way you're riding. Which do you think gives you the best chance? I'll take the former.

You're typing away to the wrong guy if you don't think I'm a cyclist.
 
The problem I have with cycling is that the safest way for me to ride is probably the way that annoys motorists more which will make them more likely to drive like a **** when it comes to dealing with other cyclists. Its sad but that is the reality of it.
 
The problem I have with cycling is that the safest way for me to ride is probably the way that annoys motorists more which will make them more likely to drive like a **** when it comes to dealing with other cyclists. Its sad but that is the reality of it.

Thats the sum of it. You ride close to the kerb and cars skim past you with cars coming the opposite direction at the same time making it a tight squeeze. You move away from the kerb to prevent that and drivers get irate and hate on cyclists for making it hard to pass. Both sides feel aggrieved and so it escalates.
 
No because 99.9% of cyclists will stop at the red light and check if there's any vehicles coming on the "green" side before deciding if it's safe to proceed or not
Not in my twice daily experience. 99% just fly straight out. Ive seen loads of near misses, even with pedestrians on crossings. I quite often see them going along with no hands on the handlebars, on phones etc as well.
 
The problem I have with cycling is that the safest way for me to ride is probably the way that annoys motorists more which will make them more likely to drive like a **** when it comes to dealing with other cyclists. Its sad but that is the reality of it.

Car drivers need to get over themselves and realise they are the problem when it comes to traffic. Annoy car drivers as much as you like if it involves putting your safety first.
 
Not in my twice daily experience. 99% just fly straight out. Ive seen loads of near misses, even with pedestrians on crossings. I quite often see them going along with no hands on the handlebars, on phones etc as well.

Are we really expected to believe you often see cyclists riding no hands on mobile phones running red lights and just fly out without looking to see if its safe to proceed or not? Where do you live, in Pakistan or India? Or do you mean you also see them going along with no hands on the handlebars, on phones?
 
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