Cyclists apopletic about law being applied to them

With the price of petrol , or even electricty , getting on the bike is a preferred mode of transport - thanks Putin.

UK bike I commute with, ridden most, front on right, but Italian bike is on the left ... in the current mud/wet on local roads, you need to get it right otherwise you'll be skidding or, off. - vittorria 700x25C
 
With the price of petrol , or even electricty , getting on the bike is a preferred mode of transport - thanks Putin.

UK bike I commute with, ridden most, front on right, but Italian bike is on the left ... in the current mud/wet on local roads, you need to get it right otherwise you'll be skidding or, off. - vittorria 700x25C

I filled up last night, saw the 1, then the 5 (was expecting 3 or 4) and didn't even bother to read the rest was just a resigned shrug. If this keeps up there are going to be a lot of people suffering though.
 
Just to confirm I have 4x cycles and left brake is the rear.

Same on Boris bikes too.

It was really weird as that's how I learned in Saffrica, then moved to Holland where it was the other way around but was gradually being phased out so riding a new bike / someone else's bike was always a few seconds of touchy feely. Then came to London where it's left=rear again.

Will check again next time I'm in Holland.
 
Driver in wrong for starting an overtake without enough space.
Cyclist swerving like that obviously isn't safe and could lead to an accident but you can see it wasn't intentional.

Arguement from the driver about there being a cycle path the cyclist could have used is irrelevant.


https://twitter.com/1Fubar/status/1493148511277576193?t=Vdy9-mSNLUtW5Srm5LzJiw&s=19
Shared by the person you linked to above.

This is just weird one as the cyclist looks drunk.

As face plants go, that one was a doozy :D

I love how the usual twitterers are all blaming the truck driver too, idiots :rolleyes:
 
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Did you mean i was correct?
As i just been out to bike shed and when in the saddle(ooh errr )the left brake lever is the Front brake
Bit confused with your reply :)
EDIT just noticed i put the wrong smilie in my post,so that it looked like i was confused....whoops

Front brake is on the right here. Has been on all my bikes.

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Another, '...the driver isn't aware, so it's not their fault...' defence and then victim blaming? They're weak arguments and need to be called out whenever they're regurgitated.

The fact is, the vast majority of safe overtakes require the vehicle to cross the centre white line. It doesn't matter whether you're crossing this line by 50cm or 2m, you're still crossing it and shouldn't do so if oncoming traffic, for example, prevents the safe execution of the manoeuvre. So it doesn't usually matter if there are multiple cyclists side by side, you still have to cross the white line and shouldn't do so if it's not safe (as per the HC and multiple statements to this effect by police forces on social media). You should not eat into the passing 'safety' zone just because there's a car/obstacle coming the other way/ahead of you! I see it all the time, where the oncoming driver has to take evasive action and pull over to the side to allow an overtaking car to pass (this is against the HC).

The flip side of this is the motorist passing too close to the cyclist and even making contact, which has happened to me many times over the years. I've been knocked into the kerb and off my bike more than once. The motorists have never stopped to check on me. Some have slowed down for their passengers to hurl abuse or objects at me. Pedestrians have walked on by, not wanting to get involved. Imagine that being a car on car incident?

It's also never about proving a point. It's about protecting one's life. Literally. Cyclists have been de-humanised. If motorists had to put up with the same treatment and dangers as cyclists on a daily basis, there would be a massive nationwide campaign to stop it.

It's not about a defence, I know it would be their fault. They wouldn't know this. I don't care, I'm the one likely on the floor injured with a knackered irreplaceable bike worth thousands and lose fitness that would take weeks if not months to get back depending on the injury - could be more fatal.

It matters re the overtake as there is a big difference in gap required to legally pass a single cyclist compared to two with a gap in between them. It's the difference between being able to overtake and not being able to do so on many roads. If you're casually doing this chatting to your mate in z1/z2 expect the vehicle driver to be annoyed and confrontation. Why would you want to waste your time with this when out riding?

I've said similar before, why should the cyclist like myself, at an elevated heart rate, sometimes drastically so, with a mixture of adrenaline and fatigue and exposed to the elements be the one who makes the decision on what is or isn't a safe overtake? This is as opposed to the vehicle driver sat on their arse at a resting heart rate with none of the other drawbacks.

From what I've heard and seen, the cyclists who get the abuse or worse are the ones who ride defensively and think they're in control. You aren't, even if the law dictates you're in the right. There's only one winner, and that's the vehicle should you get hit. I show them respect and side with them even if they're wrong as a result.
 
...I've said similar before, why should the cyclist ....be the one who makes the decision on what is or isn't a safe overtake? This is as opposed to the vehicle driver sat on their arse a...

Because the most of the time cyclist has experience of cycling AND driving. Most of the time the driver won't.
 
He wasn’t looking behind him at traffic, he was looking across the road at another cyclist who just stacked it to make sure they were ok. A mirror would have no chance of seeing that.

As someone said a few posts up, looking to the side and riding your bike straight is a very difficult skill and ultimately the cyclist pulled towards the middle of the road as he did that and slowed down. I’m certain the mechanism of applying the front brake would have made it worse as that’s also controlled by the right side (correct me if I am wrong there, it’s been awhile!).

The driver just barrelled up behind the incident unfolding in front of them and pretty much had zero cares despite their protests that they did. They were always going to perform a dodgy overtake due to the traffic island despite the road being otherwise clear on the other side.


I didn't mean that specific incident but the "shoulder checks and not weaving when doing them" bit. A mirror makes things a lot easier.


Driver in that video was foolish
 
Because the most of the time cyclist has experience of cycling AND driving. Most of the time the driver won't.

I find that hard to believe sometimes - no idea what the actual stats are. I'd say half the cyclists I encounter I think would act very differently if they'd ever driven on the road.
 
I find that hard to believe sometimes - no idea what the actual stats are. I'd say half the cyclists I encounter I think would act very differently if they'd ever driven on the road.

I don't know one 'commuting' cyclist that hasn't got a car except Malevolence but he has drove for years.
My wife has got zero perception around cyclists. She passed her test in 1976 and she does 99% of the driving. I have zero problems with her driving except around cyclists even though she has heard me tell story after story about car drivers, I had a headcam for 2 months and would show her footage every day until she told me to stop because of how worried she was about me cycling but still when out if we're around a cyclist I have to talk her around potential problems but it's never gone in.
Also notice how I only say car drivers, I don't have problems with large vehicle divers because they're already educated where car drivers think they own the road.
 
Ahh i see
Got a cheapish E-bike last summer and front brake is on the left as i sit on the bike
Not had a bike for about 10 years,did not notice it being `different tbh :)
No issues so far so i think i`ll leave it as is
 
I find that hard to believe sometimes - no idea what the actual stats are. I'd say half the cyclists I encounter I think would act very differently if they'd ever driven on the road.

Most drivers do not cycle. No one arguing about that.

When you see the statistics of people speeding etc. I've never as a driver thought, that can't be true I never see other drivers speeding or ambler gamblers. Or generally being aggressive.

No one's saying you don't get bad cyclists. But there's no way most drivers know better than most cyclists. When it comes to experience of both.
 
Generally, the wider someone's experience of any method of travel, they more sympathetic they will be to users of that form.
I tend to find the "ill will" wish on most other forms of travel comes from a place of fear/jealousy/doubt and perhaps ignorance of what it takes to use the other form of travel regularly.
Sadly, this is also why the people who are like this are very unlikely to ever embrace such a form of transport, and will therefore never understand the issues faced by such a method.

Early education about acceptance of other road users is about the only way to combat it. You will not change someone who has claimed they hate cyclists/motorcyclists/lorry drivers/bus drivers/van drivers/etc for decades. Confirmation bias will simply mean their "position" is ever strengthened, and entrenched. Its a sad state, but I do think kids are being far better taught about this in schools. We just have to hope the parents don't inadvertently poison opinion of these kids as they grow.

It will improve with time, and I think we are already seeing it.
 
Most drivers do not cycle. No one arguing about that.

When you see the statistics of people speeding etc. I've never as a driver thought, that can't be true I never see other drivers speeding or ambler gamblers. Or generally being aggressive.

No one's saying you don't get bad cyclists. But there's no way most drivers know better than most cyclists. When it comes to experience of both.

It is the most cyclists are also drivers bit I struggle to believe, sure most drivers don't cycle.
 
It is the most cyclists are also drivers bit I struggle to believe,

or were drivers.
I got rid of my car 5 years ago and now get behind the wheel about once every two weeks but I've been driving since 1974 and cycling since 2009.
Six months into cycling I very nearly gave up because I couldn't believe how fellow car drivers treated me on the road.
 
Ahh i see
Got a cheapish E-bike last summer and front brake is on the left as i sit on the bike
Not had a bike for about 10 years,did not notice it being `different tbh :)
No issues so far so i think i`ll leave it as is

100% leave it where it is, if you change it, you’ll forget and probably end up having an incident. Just remember if you get on someone else’s bike, it’s will be the other way :p


It is the most cyclists are also drivers bit I struggle to believe, sure most drivers don't cycle.

Don’t you live in a fairly rural area? I’m sure you posted dash cam footage of dodgy cyclists on rural roads.

How do you think these people get around to places which are more than a few miles away? :p

All those Lycra clad cyclists you see out on a weekend almost certainly have a car, probably more than one in the household.
 
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