Accurate recreation:
Also, just walked to the local shop to get some milk and 2 cars ran a red light across the pedestrian crossing. I didn't see any cyclists.
Cyclists apopletic about law being applied to them
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Accurate recreation:
Also, just walked to the local shop to get some milk and 2 cars ran a red light across the pedestrian crossing. I didn't see any cyclists.
Soldato
Think they were all in London. Jesus, those morons on that video need a good kicking
Yep, that sort of thing all the time and not just in London. The people on foot having to jump out of the way...screw that, give the cyclist a good push.
Man of Honour
I quite often cycle up to pedestrian crossings on red and car drivers either peep me to go through on red or just overtake me and go through on red.
I saw that a lot when I lived in London but this was at road junctions!
Caporegime
Thats very much my point. ******* off car drivers doesn't make you safer. You can ride in the middle of the road all you like but a percentage of drivers will always driver dangerously and having them raging and behaving like dicks isn't good.
Yes. I have driven around London and plenty of them do it on purpose. Like the ones that walk out into the road and then walk purposely slowly to show how "hard" they are because they aren't getting run over. 2 guys on bikes came flying out of a side road onto the main road the other day, no helmets, hands off the bars and didn't even look.
Soldato
That would annoy the **** out of me if I saw that regularly and Im a cyclist
it's the devil and the deep blue sea -
there's no point in compromising your safety eg. riding in the gutter. in anticipation that motorist will become more annoyed;
if you are cycling at 20mph say, you need to be further out; at the moment with mud on our local roads, i'm rolling further out, where the car tyres have cleared the route.
There is a question of cyclist competency running through issue though - there is a driving test even if people don't retain those standards, and, I would contend cycling is a more difficult skill - but, you can't injure other people as easily.
Stacking cards in your favour with high-viz remains a stalwart for me, no point going out dressed in your shroud, I think you get some driver empathy through appropriately dressing; being assertive with signalling after checking it is safe too.
I sincerely wouldn’t like to see a cyclist get hurt, but purposely annoying drivers would be inviting a retaliatory response, and it could easily backfire and get a cyclist hurt.
Caporegime
Oh I beeped at them for a good few seconds. They unsurprisingly didn't care one but. I mean, you wouldn't ride like that or act like that if you weren't a massive ******* and fully expecting abuse.
It doesn't make good youtube viewing though
Litteraly never seen this in my life.
Soldato
Something that's been on my mind, I have a Motorbike licence and that has a huge emphasis on safety during training and the test, clearly motorcycles are dangerous and no surprise that it's tailored in this way, and whilst I understand the practicalities, I'd be in favour of having cyclists licenced with the training having a huge emphasis on safety.
I've commuted on a cycle for over 15K miles over a few years and honestly only had 3 incidents, none resulting in injury, but I have seen countless cyclists riding obliviously and being part of the problem. The number of times I'd spot a car edging out, or otherwise looking like they aren't fully aware of me approaching, I'd slow down and anticipate the inevitable, only to get captain lycra blast by at full tilt, and then only brake/swerve when the inevitable happened, screaming at the car driver, banging their bonnet and pointing at their camera..
I watch the near miss of the day on road.cc and whilst I agree the drives need prosecuting in most videos, it's disheartening to see that an obvious hazard that I know I'd be backing out of on my bike, is completely ignored by the camera person who just carries on regardless and makes no attempt to pre-empt the obvious outcome in a staggeringly high proportion of the video..
I don't disagree, but I do seem to find plenty of opportunities to dive back in (20cm or so) from the edge safely to invite drivers to overtake, it works for me.. but I do move out when I need to, it's important to be defensive when necessary. I would say I find some fellow cyclists a bit stupid about this and seem to only do 1 thing, i.e. ride permanently 1.5m+ out and never move over or otherwise help out, like their awareness is poor and they have no eyes on something. I normally see a queue of cars struggle to get by as I approach said numpties and in some cases have undertaken them because I'd rather not overtake due to the proximity to oncoming cars, it just feels wrong IMO to ride like they do..
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Soldato
I posted on here a long time ago about several near miss incidents with London cyclists at pedestrian crossings and got told by the lycra mob it didn't happen 
As much as I have defend cyclists in this thread and as much as it pains me to agree with Nasher but anyone cycling though pedestrian crossings on red or zebra crossings like in the above video should be fair game for any pedestrians who happen to be on the crossing. That said it was good to see nearly all of them stopping.
Man of Honour
Lucky you, I haven't seen some of the things other cyclists have seen, I don't call them out on it though.
For instance I've never had problems with lorry/white van drivers in 13 years, only car drivers.
Here's one you'll call me a liar for, I passed my test in 1975 and I've never had a problem with cyclists while driving, I have when I've been riding a cycle.
Only because they probably thought he was going to get chinned and they didn't want to be next
Soldato
The stupidity of all these debates is the vast majority of both car drivers and cyclists are sensible and observe the rules well enough. Sadly a minority on both sides are idiots who disregard the law and/or drive/ride with no consideration for others. Yet another example of the polarising effect of internet debate?
Caporegime
Not really. This has been exactly the same since I was a child so for at least 20+ years. Cyclists inconvenience drivers and drivers make cyclists feel like they might die on every journey. One of these things just happens to be more serious than the other...
This is one thing where I don't think the debate has become any more polarised over time.