Cyclists

Duke · 23 May 2011 at 11:20

Someone find that video of that cyclist that films his journeys and foams at his mouth whilst telling drivers what to do.

STOP!!!! STOP!!! NO

LOL, was on BBC I think.

platypus · 23 May 2011 at 11:21

Aero said:
I agree, I regret what I did and have learnt from it. I'm a cyclist myself.

Not a proud day.

Good to hear.

RDM · 23 May 2011 at 11:22

[FnG]magnolia;19202122 said:
I intentionally haven't read the thread and wanted to see how well I know this topic and the frenzy that GD/Motors get into when it's raised.

1. Road tax was mentioned.
2. Cycling tests (possibly annual) were mentioned.
3. Insurance for bikes was mentioned.
4. CO2 emissions or the 'green angle' was mentioned.
5. State of public transport was mentioned.
6. Each side blaming the other.

How many did I get right?

You missed "Some complaining about other road users not following the rules whilst also admitting to not following the rules themselves."

Participant · 23 May 2011 at 11:22

Cuchulain said:
As a driver and cyclist, I think cyclists should be forced to have some form of third party liability insurance

I sort of agree in that if a cyclist hits someone and cripples them, society needs to make sure the injured party is catered for. However how on earth do you enforce this? It would be an expensive exercise and turn into a farce anyway.

Aero · 23 May 2011 at 11:30

Robbie G said:
I sort of agree in that if a cyclist hits someone and cripples them, society needs to make sure the injured party is catered for. However how on earth do you enforce this? It would be an expensive exercise and turn into a farce anyway.

Then maybe instead of car insurance everyone should be required to have personal liability insurance, that covers them if they injured someone else? Be it in a car or on a bike.

platypus · 23 May 2011 at 11:31

The trouble with that is where do you stop? Require every pedestrian to then have public liability insurance as they may cause an accident whilst walking to the shop?

LeJosh · 23 May 2011 at 11:34

It would be nice if roads could accomodate both cyclist and driver without you all foaming at the mouth towards each other.

A little common courtesy from both parties would go a long way too. I find it hilarious how city beings manage to make each other's journies as miserable as possible.

Blue sky thinking by me really but still, one can hope.

grudas · 23 May 2011 at 11:34

Aero said:
Then maybe instead of car insurance everyone should be required to have personal liability insurance, that covers them if they injured someone else? Be it in a car or on a bike.

with car insurance prices for me at around 3k a year i don't see my self paying that amount while riding a bicycle..

unless it was a different price if you actually drive a car/motorbike too..

Aero · 23 May 2011 at 11:36

I agree it's difficult, but yes I meant on a national scale every individual over the age of say 18 would require personal liability insurance, anyone young would be covered by a parent or guardian. I see no other way of enforcing people to be insured. Of course this would result in even more of a claims culture than we've already got and I'm not saying it's a good idea. Just that it's the only way I could see something like that being enforced.

Participant · 23 May 2011 at 11:37

Universal insurance sounds like another 'Home Information Pack' scheme to me

. Seems helpful in theory, but in practice more trouble than it's worth and basically it would just become a massive money-making scheme for the insurance industry.

And then you have the silly scenario in which a 7 year old out learning to ride his bike with his dad, needs to be covered by third party liability insurance.

Aero · 23 May 2011 at 11:37

grudas said:
with car insurance prices for me at around 3k a year i don't see my self paying that amount while riding a bicycle.. unless it was a different price if you actually drive a car/motorbike too..

Precisely. say a basic nominal sum. + additional for regular cycle use (i.e. commuting) + additional for a car etc

platypus · 23 May 2011 at 11:39

LeJosh said:
It would be nice if roads could accomodate both cyclist and driver without you all foaming at the mouth towards each other.

A little common courtesy from both parties would go a long way too. I find it hilarious how city beings manage to make each other's journies as miserable as possible.

This is exactly it.

I think recently that drivers have become significantly more aware of motorcyclists, and treat them with much more respect. Maybe its because they "pay their road tax!!!" or something, but general awareness seems significantly better to me. Perhaps an actual motorcyclist can correct me on that, but I think the governments "Th!nk Bike" was pretty successful in that regard.

Scougar · 23 May 2011 at 11:45

Let's imagine that this story had been about a horse and rider. Then the title would have been "bloody horse riders". Our if it had been kids on scooters.. then "bloody kids". If it had been a car, then title would just have read "stupid idiot", or something.

Bottom line is that cyclist's don't have to abide by the same rules as you in/on a car/motorbike, or the very least, can get away with hell of a lot more.

I see idiot's in car's (And have occasionally been said 'idiot'), idiots on horses, idiots on motorbikes, idiots on pedal bikes. We all imagine we are in the right, just like cyclists imagine they are in the right. Just remember they are a lot more bloody exposed.

If you have a problem blast your horn or something. Always expect the cyclist/pedestrian/horse/rider to do something stupid and you'll be alright.

I'll put this across. When my wife was cycling and a car clipped her even though she was in a designated cycle lane, she just said that cycling on the road wasn't safe. She didn't whinge on about "bloody car's".

Have a great day.

P.S.
Unfortunate about your windscreen, the guy clearly wasn't riding safely.

LeJosh said:
It would be nice if roads could accomodate both cyclist and driver without you all foaming at the mouth towards each other.

A little common courtesy from both parties would go a long way too. I find it hilarious how city beings manage to make each other's journies as miserable as possible.

Blue sky thinking by me really but still, one can hope.

Totally agree with this. I have started cycling for the commute on and off each week. Riding on the road can be quite unnerving, and I try to remember to make signals and be courteous to other road users, and hope to hell they are doing the same for me!

P.P.S. Bloody pedestrians!! How dare they walk on the cycle paths!! lol. ;-)

Participant · 23 May 2011 at 11:51

There is no magic bullet here. Everyone just needs to learn to be more considerate of everyone else.

I get annoyed when cyclists ride two abreast, even if they're perfectly entitled to. I just think it's inconsiderate.

I get annoyed when farmers decide that rush hour is the best time for them to move their tractor from one field to another.

I get annoyed when car drivers whistle past me on my bike at 60mph and leave a one foot gap.

[FnG]magnolia · 23 May 2011 at 11:56

Robbie G said:
I sort of agree in that if a cyclist hits someone and cripples them, society needs to make sure the injured party is catered for.

Bold added by me.

Your definition of liability appears to be different to my own. Unless, oh God, you're being ironic or something equally ill-fitting to the previous discussion.

Participant · 23 May 2011 at 11:59

[FnG]magnolia;19202872 said:
Bold added by me.

Your definition of liability appears to be different to my own. Unless, oh God, you're being ironic or something equally ill-fitting to the previous discussion.

Can you just talk in plain English rather than trunctated witicisms? Society does ensure that the injured party is catered for financially in a car accident, this is why all vehicle drivers are requried to hold third party liability insurance. The debate is whether or not the same should occur for cyclists. Have you offered your opinion on this yet?

The $6m Dan · 23 May 2011 at 12:00

Robbie G said:
There is no magic bullet here. Everyone just needs to learn to be more considerate of everyone else.

Unfortunately it seams that most people in this thread would rather pay more to their insurance company than be considerate to one another

[FnG]magnolia · 23 May 2011 at 12:06

Robbie G said:
Can you just talk in plain English rather than trunctated witicisms? Society does ensure that the injured party is catered for financially in a car accident, this is why all vehicle drivers are requried to hold third party liability insurance. The debate is whether or not the same should occur for cyclists. Have you offered your opinion on this yet?

I wasn't being witty nor did I shorten anything.

What on earth do you mean that society ensures that the injured party is catered for financially in a car accident?

The debate is not whether cyclists should or should not have 3rd party LA; the OP is far more broad than that.

Yes, I've offered my opinion already. Have you read the thread?

Cosimo · 23 May 2011 at 12:06

asim18 said:
Argh cyclists make me rage so bad.

Wait for an opportunity to overtake.

Overtake.

Get caught in traffic/lights

Cyclist filters through.

Wait for another opportunity to overtake.

The cycle goes on and on. Why don't you just **** off

Isn't some of that what you do as a boy racer in your car? You need to learn how to be considerate. Hopefully it will come with experience and time.

Participant · 23 May 2011 at 12:12

[FnG]magnolia;19202958 said:
What on earth do you mean that society ensures that the injured party is catered for financially in a car accident?

In that the law requires that people have third party car insurance, so if they smash into and cripple someone, insurance will pay for the care of that person for the rest of that person's life. Geesh.

[FnG]magnolia;19202958 said:
The debate is not whether cyclists should or should not have 3rd party LA; the OP is far more broad than that.

Yes it is? The OP even refers to it?! And then the issue was brought up again:

Chuchulain said:
As a driver and cyclist, I think cyclists should be forced to have some form of third party liability insurance