Dark matter discovered

Glaucus · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:10

mattheman said:
ok put it this way dark matter is what hold the galaxies together, via gravitational galactic rotation if we mess with this who says it can't alter its formation to a increase push or pull effect.
For example the theories of muilt big bangs expansion then a sudden contraction then an exposion and expansion.

what, do you actually think about what you are saying. how is a few particles going to change gravitational pull, when there are more dark matter particles theorised than I can even comprehended yet along put in a written form. The gravitational force is tiny and you need a huge amount of mass. energy can not be created or destroyed. there is always a changing amount of matter. It's also DETECTED not created. Even

Kenai · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:10

Fenris said:
And how do you propose we "mess" with it?

We could sieve it? :confused:

mattheman · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:13

AcidHell2 said:
what, do you actually think about what you are saying. how is a few particles going to change gravitational pull, when there are more dark matter particles theorised than I can even comprehended yet along put in a written form. The gravitational force is tiny and you need a huge amount of mass. energy can not be created or destroyed. there is always a changing amount of matter. It's also DETECTED not created. Even

a chain reaction, sometimes comes from the smallest change, if we interfer with this change who knows what could happen.

Cosimo · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:14

I had a big bang and out came some dark matter, no wait this is a discussion about missing/invisible matter. Where is it?

Kenai · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:15

mattheman said:
a chain reaction, sometimes comes from the smallest change, if we interfer with this change who knows what could happen.

THE POSSIBILITIES ARE MIND BLOWING I AGREE, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE WE DO TO STOP THIS MADNESS MATTHEMAN? LEAD US TO SAFETY

Fenris · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:15

mattheman said:
a chain reaction, sometimes comes from the smallest change, if we interfer with this change who knows what could happen.

If I step out of the office I could get hit by a bus, should I leave or simply stay here and not mess with chance?

The thing is, if they "mess" with it we could learn so much about our universe, if in doing so we destroy the universe....whose going to know?

4T5 · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:17

Kenai said:
THE POSSIBILITIES ARE MIND BLOWING I AGREE, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE WE DO TO STOP THIS MADNESS MATTHEMAN? LEAD US TO SAFETY

stop shouting "They" will hear you.

mattheman · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:19

Fenris said:
If I step out of the office I could get hit by a bus, should I leave or simply stay here and not mess with chance?

The thing is, if they "mess" with it we could learn so much about our universe, if in doing so we destroy the universe....whose going to know?

ok lets say hitlers non cancerous polyp did turn cancerous and died would we still see a 2 world war.

Glaucus · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:21

mattheman said:
a chain reaction, sometimes comes from the smallest change, if we interfer with this change who knows what could happen.

the universe has been affecting and interacting with these particles in millions of ways for trillions of years. We can't add anything new to it. Your position really makes no sense and is not based on any theorys or logic.

Kenai · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:21

mattheman said:
ok lets say hitlers non cancerous polyp did turn cancerous and died would we still see a 2 world war.

Are you suggesting dark matter could kill Hitler and change history?

*Moangroan* · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:22

mattheman said:
Should the findings be confirmed it will have an Earth-shattering effect on our understanding of how galaxies form.

do you think messing around with this could cause the big bang 2?

Why would it be earth shattering. Because of mans ego of how things work, and humankind's stoneage science is just that, stoneage.

Now are we going to take our stoneage science and mess around with something we do not know anything about...yeah sure we have big ego to stroke.

Glaucus · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:22

mattheman said:
ok lets say hitlers non cancerous polyp did turn cancerous and died would we still see a 2 world war.

what has human history got to do with physics.

mattheman · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:22

Kenai said:
Are you suggesting dark matter could kill Hitler and change history?

what iam saying its a direct alteration can lead to other effects sometimes unwanted.

Kenai · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:23

mattheman said:
what iam saying its a direct alteration can lead to other effects sometimes unwanted.

So... dark matter will make Hitler more powerful? :confused:

Make up your mind.

Fenris · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:24

mattheman said:
ok lets say hitlers non cancerous polyp did turn cancerous and died would we still see a 2 world war.

Whole differant ball game.

mattheman said:
what iam saying its a direct alteration can lead to other effects sometimes unwanted.

That is true for every act of human kind for the entirity of history, the problem being the only way around it is to never do anything ever.

mattheman · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:25

Fenris said:
Whole differant ball game.

That is true for every act of human kind for the entirity of history, the problem being the only way around it is to never do anything ever.

not really the theory is the same the consequence differs.

Kenai · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:27

To be honest beforehand when we were just discussing the possible destruction of the entire universe I wasn't too bothered but now you've mentioned this is all going to somehow affect Hitler i'm getting worried. What can we do to stop this mat?

jamief · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:28

malc30 said:
Not very Community spirited is it.

Hence the "I wouldn't usually post this bit"

It really gets quite tiring him doing his drive-by-links-show on the forum, without quoting sources or giving his own opinion.

I'd be quite happy to discuss the subject of dark matter, but to start a debate or discussion you need more than 2 sentences of un-cited matttheman clipboard dump.

Fenris · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:28

mattheman said:
not really the theory is the same the consequence differs.

No Matt, they are not the same.

Your talking about wether Hitler was the sole cause of WWII and the possibility of humans effecting cosmic matter in such a way that could cause it to destroy the universe.

The first is to do with causality and the second is completely insane.

jak731 · 18 Dec 2009 at 14:29

mattheman said:
do you think messing around with this could cause the big bang 2?

You quote something without giving a source and then say something without justifying it in any way and expect a decent discussion? Was their actually some thought process involved in wondering whether detecting dark matter could cause a big bang, or did you just get excited and think 'i've heard of dark matter in cosmology and i've heard of the big bang, they must be intrinsically related!'

Are you also one of the people that thinks CERN might destroy the earth while ignoring the fact that cosmic rays cause higher energy interactions in the atmosphere than CERN can ever create?

mattheman said:
And what proof do you have?

Right back at you.

mattheman said:
but it doesnt take into the account the speed of expansion is speeding up, and at what point does it stop.

Nobody knows why the expansion of the universe is accelerating, but if you are genuinely interested go and read about the cosmological constant.

mattheman said:
Think about this in trllions of years the distances between galaxies would be greater than now, the energy required to travel in a line would be huge, so out comes the idea of folding space and time.

What?

For anyone still looking for a source.

I've studied astronomy and cosmology and never heard of a link between dark matter and time before, guess you learn something new every day.