Darren Pencille murder trial

weathmatth · 12 Jul 2019 at 16:36

Minimum of 28 years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48967618

Screeeech · 12 Jul 2019 at 16:50

A totally expected and just result..

It seems like the UK streets are carnage at the moment, each morning I turn on the news (I'm in LA and 8 hours behind) it seems someone else has been 'shanked' or 'murked' insane incidents, like a woman and her unborn baby the other week, - crazy stuff.

It seems terrifying how these kids can just go off at the drop of a hat and stab someone like this, it feels like a good honest punch up and being thrown into a cell for affray is a thing of the past.

Minusorange · 12 Jul 2019 at 17:30

Interesting that if you're from a privileged background, stabbing someone in the chest and then lying to police is self defence :rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-48962845

i-bert · 12 Jul 2019 at 17:39

Minusorange said:
Interesting that if you're from a privileged background, stabbing someone in the chest and then lying to police is self defence

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-48962845

Yeah, because both cases are so similar. :rolleyes:

Zenduri · 12 Jul 2019 at 19:14

Minusorange said:
Interesting that if you're from a privileged background, stabbing someone in the chest and then lying to police is self defence

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-48962845

Both are bad but one was kids going tooled up to rob someone then getting in a fight with each othet.. both had knives and one got stabbed and died. The other was a verbal argument then a hyper aggressive 18 puncture stabbing against an unarmed man...... there is a hell of a difference in these cases

NVP · 12 Jul 2019 at 19:34

HybridX said:
Both are bad but one was kids going tooled up to rob someone then getting in a fight with each othet.. both had knives and one got stabbed and died. The other was a verbal argument then a hyper aggressive 18 puncture stabbing against an unarmed man...... there is a hell of a difference in these cases

Exactly, it's not so... black and white

Kill_Phil · 12 Jul 2019 at 20:31

Take straight from BBC...

The court heard Pencille, who declined to give evidence during his trial, had 14 previous convictions for 19 different offences over a 19-year period, including possession of offensive weapons, violence and dishonesty.

Shouldn't have been walking the streets

dowie · 12 Jul 2019 at 20:37

Minusorange said:
Interesting that if you're from a privileged background, stabbing someone in the chest and then lying to police is self defence

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-48962845

Wat???

Bit of a difference when the victim also allegedly had a knife and apparently pulled his knife out first. Not to mention them calling 999 afterwards and trying to save him. That was either manslaughter or self defence depending on whether you believe the story and the manslaughter would probs not be beyond reasonable doubt.

Zenduri · 12 Jul 2019 at 20:38

NVP said:
Exactly, it's not so... black and white

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Also from the BBC article seems like he had a history of knife carrying and stabbing....

Det Ch Insp Sam Blackburn, from British Transport Police described the killer as "devious and dangerous".

He said: "Quite clearly with his previous convictions, where he also stabbed another man in the neck, and his propensity for carrying knives, he showed his dangerous, aggressive nature and that he wasn't afraid to use that knife on that train."

Just highlighted that for all those ******* who claim he got a harsh punishment because its all about race!

dowie · 12 Jul 2019 at 20:39

Kill_Phil said:
Take straight from BBC...

The court heard Pencille, who declined to give evidence during his trial, had 14 previous convictions for 19 different offences over a 19-year period, including possession of offensive weapons, violence and dishonesty.

Shouldn't have been walking the streets

That is the thing that bugs me about many of theses cases, the thug involved inevitable has a violent history. The main thing prison is useful for us keeping violent people away from the rest of us, if a violent offender is caught with an offensive weapon then they should get a serious sentence likewise if they have a repeat violent incident then ditto.

robfosters · 12 Jul 2019 at 21:05

This is just non stop now. Lost a youngster down the road from me yesterday. Stabbed to death for a phone

I’d be so nervous if I had kids nowadays. https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/11/man-20s-stabbed-death-alleyway-south-east-london-10172796/

B&W · 12 Jul 2019 at 21:15

dowie said:
That is the thing that bugs me about many of theses cases, the thug involved inevitable has a violent history. The main thing prison is useful for us keeping violent people away from the rest of us, if a violent offender is caught with an offensive weapon then they should get a serious sentence likewise if they have a repeat violent incident then ditto.

I don't understand how judges get this so wrong, they see fit to jail non violent offenders but let threats to society walk away. Before I was sentenced, a peadeophile received a suspended sentence. He was guilty by the way.

bloodiedathame · 12 Jul 2019 at 21:39

Stop and search. Jail for carrying.

Freddie1980 · 12 Jul 2019 at 21:53

bloodiedathame said:
Stop and search. Jail for carrying.

At this point I think this is the best approach but someone needs to have the backbone to stand up to those soft liberal types who cry racism and discrimination when such tactics are used.

Minusorange · 12 Jul 2019 at 22:20

dowie said:
Wat???

Bit of a difference when the victim also allegedly had a knife and apparently pulled his knife out first. Not to mention them calling 999 afterwards and trying to save him. That was either manslaughter or self defence depending on whether you believe the story and the manslaughter would probs not be beyond reasonable doubt.

I think in both cases the killer should be done for murder, manslaughter at the minimum, not literally getting away with murder though

dowie · 12 Jul 2019 at 22:36

Minusorange said:
I think in both cases the killer should be done for murder, manslaughter at the minimum, not literally getting away with murder though

Why?

There is no evidence for a reasonable conviction of murder in the case you cite. They tried manslaughter but if the account is truthful re: the victim being the one to pull out a knife first then self defence seems like a reasonable argument.

Perhaps start a different thread on this story tbh... as it has nothing to do with this thread.

Rich1988 · 12 Jul 2019 at 22:46

edscdk said:
Big guy pushes arguemt too far
Little guy feels threatened,
Little guy pulls knifs to make big guy back off
Big guy sees knife and tables are turned
Fight or flight kicks in and knowing flight is no option big guy fights
Little guy who would never stab anyone has no choice but to stab..
Stad someone once and nothing much happens.. Panic sets in and he keeps doing it

Probably tragic event.. Or maybe little guy just felt a little stabby and was out to murder anyway..

Little guy who would never stab anyone but has previous history for GBH with intent for stabbing a guy in the neck over an argument revolving around the suspect wanting fag papers?

Rich1988 · 12 Jul 2019 at 22:47

double post

BowdonUK · 12 Jul 2019 at 22:48

London seems to be getting more and more dangerous with all these stabbings.

VincentHanna · 13 Jul 2019 at 01:50

BowdonUK said:
London seems to be getting more and more dangerous with all these stabbings.

Well not for the general public.

If you happen to be in a gang and live in an area like Hackney then yeah, it's dangerous.