David Cameron looking to ban gay kisses...

[bhavv]

Even if they did get bullied constantly at school?

Kids get bullied at school regardless of who their parents are, so this isnt a convincing argument.

Something else I'd worry about is the lack of a female(gay parents) or male(lesbian) influence on the child... I'd imagine a boy growing up in a lesbian household could be extremely frustrating with no male figure to advise or talk sense...

So you've never heard of single parents? Cool story bro!

Maybe we should take kids away from single parents because those kids are only being raised by a single gender.

There is absolutely no valid evidence showing that a child growing up without either a mother or a father is disadvantaged in anyway.

 

[jp_bl_68]

There's no guarantee that a child growing up with heterosexual parents will have a strong male and female role model in their life just as there's no guarantee that a child growing up with same sex parents will lack either a strong male or a strong female role model.

Also, kids will be bullied regardless of their family situation.

 

[jp_bl_68]

There is absolutely no valid evidence showing that a child growing up without either a mother or a father is disadvantaged in anyway.

Whilst I don't have any evidence to hand I seriously doubt this is true. I'd imagine that boys/young men growing up without fathers/strong male role models are far more likely to get into trouble with the law than those who grow up with fathers/strong male role models.

 

[Nitefly]

With all circumstances the same, I would on instinct always pick that a male and female should be the parents over the equal male and male parent equivilents.

It is just a more common and usual thing. That isn't to say that all gay parents would be bad, far from it. Could they make excellent parents? Yes. Should they, if there are equally suitable male and female parents? I honestly don't know where I sit on that one.

 

[bhavv]

I'd imagine that boys/young men growing up without fathers/strong male role models are far more likely to get into trouble with the law than those who grow up with fathers/strong male role models.

I wouldnt imagine that at all from the number of single women who are raising kids these days.

Should they, if there are equally suitable male and female parents? I honestly don't know where I sit on that one.

The youtube video I posted above was a case of a kid that no male and female couple wanted to adopt because the boy was physically disabled. He also had a younger sister and both kids were taken into adoptive services because their birth parents were pretty messed up and on drugs or something.

After a while of having the two kids in an orphanage, it got to the point that the younger sister would need to be given up for adoption alone for her own sake, and this would have been highly disadvantageous for the disabled brother as finding a home for him would have been near impossible, and he would have no family left around him whatsoever.

The kids had lots of visitations from straight couples looking to adopt, but when they saw the disabled kid they were put off by his phsical condition and simply said no.

The orphanage / adoption agency called up the gay couple who were on an adoption list and pleaded them to adopt both kids before they would be separated with the girl being put into foster care alone. The couple chose to adopt both kids, and paid for a lot of expensive surgery that the boy required that they explain in their video.

Do people still oppose to same sex couples adopting? Opinions that think that same sex couples are in anyway a negative for raising couples due to the sexuality and / or gender of the parents are simply based entirely to homophobic prejudices and not on real world examples, where kids who are raised by single gender parents are not disadvantaged in any way more than they would be by a male and female couple.

 

[GreatAuk]

Kids get bullied at school regardless of who their parents are, so this isnt a convincing argument.

Yes, but they might well get bullied more if their parents aren't like everyone else's parents. I don't think it is that unlikely that a child with gay parents would suffer more bullying than your average man/woman parented child.
edit: Also, couldn't you imagine feeling 'different' or left out if your parents were 'different'? That may have a negative effect on a childs emotional state at school.

So you've never heard of single parents? Cool story bro!

Maybe we should take kids away from single parents too because those kids are only being raised by a single gender.

Of course I have, and of course, I don't think an average single parent could do as good a job as an average couple - as a random comparison, single parent families are more likely to live in poverty, and that means a higher likelihood of suffering crime, having lower school grades etc.

Whether this holds validity specifically for single parent families from whatever socioeconomic background of parent compared to similar background for a couple or anything like that, I don't know. I can't find any definitive statistics, but I don't think there are any showing that single parents are better than two parents for a child either, so I'll just stick with what I've already said.

I wasn't suggesting that we take children away from parents who already have them - we already have enough parentless children waiting to be rehomed. Anyway, that would just end up being a stupidly cruel, ineffective, and disruptive system if we tried to take children away from families that by some measure were worse than others. What I was talking about was whether your average straight couple would result in better parents than your average gay couple - who knows! I doubt there are statistics easily available on the subject, I was just thinking of disadvantages that might arise from having single sex parents compare to normal parents.

 

[jp_bl_68]

I wouldnt imagine that at all from the number of single women who are raising kids these days.

Why would the number of single mothers make you less likely to believe this?

 

[bhavv]

Why would the number of single mothers make you less likely to believe this?

Because a single mother raising a kid wouldnt be any different to two mothers raising a kid, in fact it would be easier for two mothers to raise kids than it is for a single parent as they can share parental responsibilities.

Either case seems preferable to me than a kid simply being left in an orphanage.

Of course I have, and of course, I don't think an average single parent could do as good a job as an average couple - as a random comparison, single parent families are more likely to live in poverty, and that means a higher likelihood of suffering crime, having lower school grades etc.

Child benefits are available to all parents whether single or double, and I knew of lot of kids who grew up in poor families and they were not disadvantaged in their education due to this.

Though financial issues were not the topic of the comparison to single parents - lack of one of the genders as a parent was. Surely if you believe what you do, a same sex couple would be a much better alternative than a single parent based on your opinion.

 

[jp_bl_68]

I'm still not seeing how you went from this:

I'd imagine that boys/young men growing up without fathers/strong male role models are far more likely to get into trouble with the law than those who grow up with fathers/strong male role models.

to this:

I wouldnt imagine that at all from the number of single women who are raising kids these days.

 

[bhavv]

I'm still not seeing how you went from this:

to this:

How can it be that confusing? Boys / young men growing up with a single mother have the same lack of a father that they would if raised by a lesbian couple.

Its a very simple and easy comparison to understand.

 

[jp_bl_68]

I was responding to this:

There is absolutely no valid evidence showing that a child growing up without either a mother or a father is disadvantaged in anyway.

My point was that children are disadvantaged by growing up without fathers/strong male role models.

It's late, I'm tired, and we appear to be having two different conversations. I'm going to bed.

 

[bhavv]

My point was that children are disadvantaged by growing up without fathers/strong male role models.

Even if it is, its still a better scenario than having no parents isnt it?

Even if people think that a heterosexual couple is the best way for children to be raised, the fact is that there are not enough heterosexual couples to look after every single child born in this world (far too many people making children without enough responsibility to look after them).

I am also sure that most people who have negative opinions about same or single gender parents wouldnt even adopt a child themselves. They simply complain about how they think that a kid would be disadvantaged in that scenario when they have no idea just how many children there are that cannot and will never have both a mother and a father for whatever reasons.

 

[Tefal]

That wouldn't matter, it would not be taught in schools because gay sexual activity cannot produce offspring. The whole point of sex education is to educate kids on reproduction, not to get their rocks off.

It's also to teach them to **** responsibly and stay safe/disease and unwanted baby free.

So young gay men/women should just receive no education on how to protect themselves/make sure they don't hurt themselves or tier partner?

 

[Biohazard]

Absolutely disgusting.

Frankly.

So are a lot of the responses from some on here, I expected far better.

 

[Tefal]

With all circumstances the same, I would on instinct always pick that a male and female should be the parents over the equal male and male parent equivilents.

It is just a more common and usual thing. That isn't to say that all gay parents would be bad, far from it. Could they make excellent parents? Yes. Should they, if there are equally suitable male and female parents? I honestly don't know where I sit on that one.

there are more kids than suitable foster/adoptive parents though.

 

[alex_tank]

Judging from the comments here I'm guessing people skimmed through the link which was just a spin on another Daily Mail article.

This is not new news and the inquiry is not aimed exclusively at gay kissing on the telly. Look elsewhere on the web and you won't see a mention of this brookside kiss/homophobic agenda which The Daily Mail have inserted.

 

[hurfdurf]

Judging from the comments here I'm guessing people skimmed through the link which was just a spin on another Daily Mail article.

This is not new news and the inquiry is not aimed exclusively at gay kissing on the telly. Look elsewhere on the web and you won't see a mention of this brookside kiss/homophobic agenda which The Daily Mail have inserted.

Indeed, but its another chance of having the homophobes of GD expose themselves, get owned, shown to be wrong and then not come back, which will hopefully educate the lurkers on the issue. Homosexuality is a very complicated issue and with all the misinformation that is spouted (and shown to be false in this thread) it is easy to see why people are confused or have bad/stupid opinions, if this thread has helped one person understand that homosexual rights are an imperative need in this society then I'm happy to have stand and banged in it.

 

[yashiro]

More people would be behind banning Cameron from the TV screen.

 

[Retromatic]

Whatever happened to just kissing on the lips?

It's so 90's!

 

[krooton]

I was responding to this:


My point was that children are disadvantaged by growing up without fathers/strong male role models.

It's late, I'm tired, and we appear to be having two different conversations. I'm going to bed.

Just because you have a mum and dad doesn't mean you have a strong male and female role model.

Some guys are mummy's boys, some aren't, some women are daddy's girls, others aren't.

My father wasn't the most engaged dad, resulting in both my brother and I being much closer to our mother. As a result, neither of us are brow-beating alpha-dudes, and I personally thinks that's great.