I genuinely admire your optimism that the MCU will end once Infinity War is done
Infinity War isn't even the last film in the MCU is it?
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Infinity War isn't even the last film in the MCU is it?
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It really should be if...
You're not going to get much bigger than Infinity War
Inhumans is listed for the same year as Infinity War part 2, but I don't know if it's a lead in or a follow up. It'll be a huge let down if it's a follow up - unless they're heading down the Earth X route - that would have the bonus of surgically removing all the non-comic fans and handing it to the proper nerds
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You're mad if you think Infinity War will be the last MCU film...
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So nobody disagrees with my point that the MCU is growing in a structured way while the DC universe is a mess, just that Infinity War won't be the end of MCU...
Good good
Not a comic book fan I take it?
DC films are an entirely separate entity to their TV output. Each separate universe is entirely logical in it's own right. You're just taking the lot and deciding they should all line up, which they clearly don't. Comic wise, it would be like complaining that the Marvel Ultimate line doesn't fit in with the standard Marvel universe.
Think of it this way.
That's basically what you did there
Hear what skeeter is suggesting and he is right but yeah as shorttricky said DC kinda made the tv series in a separate world to the new superman/batman/dc universe, I said on the other thread that makes my head hurt.
AoS is cool but it does lack that superhero vibe as flash/arrow have but then its more about the shield politics with action thrown in, wait till some avengers turn up oh and the daredevil + defender other tv series will be perhaps more in line with arrow/flash.
AoS is cool but it does lack that superhero vibe as flash/arrow have but then its more about the shield politics with action thrown in, wait till some avengers turn up oh and the daredevil + defender other tv series will be perhaps more in line with arrow/flash.
Its not that at all. I don't mind if it all sits together, or is all fully isolated. The problem with DC is you can't really tell what's going on. Arrow and Flash are now heavily intertwined its basically 1 series, yet Gotham is separate. The films don't link at all but are going to use the same characters. Is Supergirl linked to anything? It all makes for a quite confusing mish mash considering everything's out at the same time.
I'm just saying DC lacks the feeling of being 'under control'. As if they had lots of ideas and just approved all of them at once.
I'm just saying DC lacks the feeling of being 'under control'. As if they had lots of ideas and just approved all of them at once.
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Arrow, Flash and Legends are on CW, Gotham is on NBC, Supergirl is CBS. I suspect if you lived in America it would make sense, because you'd get more of an awareness about who made what.
Did you find Avengers and Days of Future Past confusing because they both have the same two characters in - except one is set in the 70s and one in present day?
How about when Spiderman joins the MCU, but Sony keep making the films? It still means no other Marvel characters in Spiderman films.
Daredevil is tonally very different to any MCU film. Soon Netflix will have another superhero team operating in New York (the Defenders). I sincerely doubt any of them will turn up in Civil War...but it will be happening in their city, so if they don't, that's going to be weird.
Charlie Cox has spoken about the Avengers
Charlie Cox said:
You can see the Avengers Tower from Hell's Kitchen. It's about as "everyday occurrence" as you can get
Luke Cage is about to star in AKA Jessica Jones (Netflix) - he possesses superhuman strength and stamina, and has extremely dense skin and muscle tissue. From an experiment. Sounds interesting for SHIELD?
Marvel Television’s Emma Fleisher said:
Hmm.
Fantastic 4, X-Men, Deadpool, Silver Surfer, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver - Fox
Spiderman, Venom, Sinister Six - Sony
Namor, Hulk (standalone) - Universal
Everything else - Marvel
Not that dissimilar really...
And to be fair to both companies, they probably did exactly that. Had a whole bunch of ideas and approved them all at once. But what TV or film company can afford all that? Marvel certainly couldn't have before Disney bought them out - and they were still happy to pass 4 series onto Netflix. To say it's a shared universe, you could ignore all the Marvel films and still watch Daredevil with no problems. CW may have 3 shows, but they have a shared cast - I'm guessing they can save a ton on filming.
Besides which, look at the source material...you think this is confusing, try and get onboard with the fact that there are 4 main Batman series - so there will be 4 completely separate Batman stories running, which will then crossover at some point so they're all happening at the same time. And that's not just because it's DC, I just happen to read all Batman, so I see it a lot - Marvel comics are just as baffling. Stressing about it will just give you an aneurysm
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Yep, I'm with Skeeter. What confirms that the DC stuff is a mess is that they are doing a Flash film, even though there's a Flash TV series, and they're using a different actor, and it's due out in 2018 when, presumably, the Flash TV show will still be airing (unless ratings take a dive). If they knew they were going to do a Flash movie, then they shouldn't have bothered with the TV show. It's not as if Flash is even a minor superhero, it should have been fairly obvious to them that a movie would be likely at some point.
Regarding the CGI, it does look awful, but then pretty much anything on TV that attempts major CGI looks bad unless it's got a big budget. I can really only think of Game of Thrones as a show that contains significant amounts of CGI that doesn't look bad.
edit: I think what we're both trying to get at is that there isn't even any attempt by the DC TV shows to recognise the existence of the other DC superheroes. It's a nice touch that in Daredevil you get mentions of the 'incident in New York' and see news articles about it along with other little mentions, and Kingpin's rebuilding efforts are due to that incident. Same goes for AoS, they often reference the Marvel films in some way, whether it's simply by name-dropping Thor, Iron Man, etc, or by building in a plot element that relates to the films (Theta protocol from this season of AoS for example). Not once do I remember Arrow or The Flash even recognising the existence of Batman or Superman, etc. It would have been easy to have some throwaway comment or joke about eccentric billionaires when Ray starts working on his Atom persona, and that would at least acknowledge the existence of Batman. It's little things like that that just help keep all the Marvel stuff somewhat tied together, even if it's in a very small way.
Regarding the CGI, it does look awful, but then pretty much anything on TV that attempts major CGI looks bad unless it's got a big budget. I can really only think of Game of Thrones as a show that contains significant amounts of CGI that doesn't look bad.
edit: I think what we're both trying to get at is that there isn't even any attempt by the DC TV shows to recognise the existence of the other DC superheroes. It's a nice touch that in Daredevil you get mentions of the 'incident in New York' and see news articles about it along with other little mentions, and Kingpin's rebuilding efforts are due to that incident. Same goes for AoS, they often reference the Marvel films in some way, whether it's simply by name-dropping Thor, Iron Man, etc, or by building in a plot element that relates to the films (Theta protocol from this season of AoS for example). Not once do I remember Arrow or The Flash even recognising the existence of Batman or Superman, etc. It would have been easy to have some throwaway comment or joke about eccentric billionaires when Ray starts working on his Atom persona, and that would at least acknowledge the existence of Batman. It's little things like that that just help keep all the Marvel stuff somewhat tied together, even if it's in a very small way.
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Stressing about it will just give you an aneurysm
This.....
Try not to think too much about all the universes which world they are set in, with these shows you really do just need to enjoy there own take on it.
Don't think anyone is disagreeing with anyone both are right
I prefer marvels structured and organized approach but if you watched say the animated Ultimate Spiderman you will see the Avengers, Wolverine and fantastic four and be equally baffled, maybe that is why I don't mind DCs isolated TV series but again your right when the Flash film arrives and we have a big screen film and tv series things get even more confusing oh and btw Arrow is also a justice league member so he technically is within the new rebooted superman/dc universe
Anyhow switch off and enjoy for now I say
Director of DC Flash Movie gives an update
“We’re trying to break a story,” says Lord. “It’s interesting, because there’s a really popular TV show out there, and we’re trying to carve out space for the movie that’s apart from that. I think we’re doing alright. …I believe [our Flash] is going to be Barry Allen. …We’re more trying to stick with the cinematic universe… iI really is its own thing and is kind of a stand-alone movie. We’re just trying to think of the best story. I think you guys will like it, it’s kind of a different take on superhero stuff. I’m optimistic!”
http://www.superherohype.com/news/3...ris-miller-offer-an-update-on-the-flash-movie
“We’re trying to break a story,” says Lord. “It’s interesting, because there’s a really popular TV show out there, and we’re trying to carve out space for the movie that’s apart from that. I think we’re doing alright. …I believe [our Flash] is going to be Barry Allen. …We’re more trying to stick with the cinematic universe… iI really is its own thing and is kind of a stand-alone movie. We’re just trying to think of the best story. I think you guys will like it, it’s kind of a different take on superhero stuff. I’m optimistic!”
http://www.superherohype.com/news/3...ris-miller-offer-an-update-on-the-flash-movie
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I for one am loving the idea of Snark and Heatwave as Psuedo baddies/Anti Heroes... Yes they are annoying but bring a sense of tongue in cheekness from the comics which is a throwback with the villains of the early tv shows.
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Don't think so.. Think its a standalone product but that's not saying that it will not be merged at some point. I dunno what to think about Jared Leno/Joker with the tattoos tho.
What the hell? So theres a Flash TV show and a Flash movie, but they aren't linked. Then in Arrow theres a Suicide Squad, but they aren't linked to the Suicide Squad movie. So is the Flash movie linked to Batman vs Superman?
How can anyone say this isn't a mangled unorganised mess? I can understand having multiple 'universes', but having the same characters or concepts at the same time going on in different universes! Come on, thats just "argh we need to make everything we can to catch Marvel argh make more make everything argh!" right there!