Declining attitude to law and order

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dowie said:
RIP :(

A burglary involving 10 people? That's a bit odd - don't they usually just act alone or much smaller groups than that - like 2 or 3?

I guess the fact it was a group and they're perhaps all trying to show off to each other doesn't help things... maybe if just 2 or 3 they'd run off, instead when vastly outnumbering the officer they're feeling a bit overly confident and it just escalates perhaps?

If it was a case of a whole group surrounding him etc.. then whether they all intended it or not I'd hope they all get charged with murder under joint enterprise legislation.
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Possibly only 2-3 involved and the others are obfuscating to make things harder for the police though I suspect something like some others have mentioned above.

EDIT: Statement is "and remain in custody at various stations" probably to deter a certain type from turning up and causing trouble if they were all at "one" police station...
 
Rroff said:
Possibly only 2-3 involved and the others are obfuscating to make things harder for the police though I suspect something like some others have mentioned above.

EDIT: Statement is "and remain in custody at various stations" probably to deter a certain type from turning up and causing trouble if they were all at "one" police station...
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Also to stop them being able to communicate with each other in adjacent cells.

I hope the scum get the book thrown at them and they spend a very long time behind bars.
 
From the Daily Mail ...

Witnesses reported seeing a 'huge police presence' at the well-known traveller site of Burghfield Common today, about two miles from where PC Harper died, and officers were seen blocking entrance to the site.
 
neil473 said:
From the Daily Mail ...

Witnesses reported seeing a 'huge police presence' at the well-known traveller site of Burghfield Common today, about two miles from where PC Harper died, and officers were seen blocking entrance to the site.
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Maybe they'll finally be willing to take them on. Or maybe not. Fairly well established these days that "travellers" are above the law, so long as they band together in numbers.
 
Does anyone think we'll see a difference in the attitude from the upper levels of Police "leadership" towards Travellers should this officers needless death be confirmed as their doing. Regardless, the current Police "leadership" attitude of "ignore them they'll go away" has made them feel untouchable and above the law and brought with it all the associated problems of lawlessness (Brewery raid for example).
 
Johno please? said:
Its not rocket science is it, itll be a gang of chavs or ******.

He was run over by the sounds of it.
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Which though? You've basically got the full set of likely burglary suspects there. The point that you might have missed was it was a large group of them ergo probably ******.
 
ianh said:
Does anyone think we'll see a difference in the attitude from the upper levels of Police "leadership" towards Travellers should this officers needless death be confirmed as their doing. Regardless, the current Police "leadership" attitude of "ignore them they'll go away" has made them feel untouchable and above the law and brought with it all the associated problems of lawlessness (Brewery raid for example).
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Probably in that particular area but not nationally id expect. Unless it comes from the top.

I'd expect most travelers wont even touch oxford area for a bit, unless they are stupid and want unnecessary run ins with overly alert police.
 
Em3bbs said:
He wasn't wrong though was he.
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He was certainly wrong to use collective pejorative terms to describe "others". I am not aware that there have been any convictions but why should that stop people rushing to judgements in relation to entire groups of people?

My point is that some people feel that it is perfectly "respectable" and acceptable to tar entire groups of people with pejorative terms.
 
stockhausen said:
There is something wonderfully ironic about people using collective pejorative terms to describe "others" in a thread bemoaning a general decline in respect.
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Yes let's not forget the travellers human rights in this. It's the most important thing!

Not.
 
stockhausen said:
There is something wonderfully ironic about people using collective pejorative terms to describe "others" in a thread bemoaning a general decline in respect.
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I agree, taring everyone with the same brush just leads to problems, there are plenty of travellers who are nice people.... from old to new, I know horse drawn folk who are blooming lovely, I also know folk who live in their vehicles and travel about who are also lovely.

The taring all with the same brush goes both ways and its sad, I know folk who totally ascribe to the ACAB way of thinking, which is also just as sad... some coppers are really nice people and shouldnt be tared with the same brush as the bad apples in the force either.
 
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