Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

[muon]

Actually yes, your bank balance and credit score say a lot about you and determine your eligibility for all kinds of government and social interventions.

Ah crap you must be right. Oh wait it isnt actually as simple as that sounds. I doubt you have ever read any FCA guidelines. The government don't go around using credit scores other than potentially for analysis for analysis, it is a commercial services concept to use it for decision making at an individual level.

Statistics has never claimed to give clear information about causation. A simple mistake that people need to stop making.

In fact data science techniques give up on the concept entirely and tend to just use everything rather than picking one factor over another.

 

[deuse]

I've read the entire thread, I must have missed it. And I can't find anything on the internet beyond these two autopsies.

Where is this other dodgy autopsy?

Yes there is only 2.
And they don't match. So the DA has picked one that suits his case.
The other one won't be shown to the jury.

Which in my opinion is most unfair.
Sorry if I got you confused

 

[muon]

Yes there is only 2.
And they don't match. So the DA has picked one that suits his case.
The other one won't be shown to the jury.

Which in my opinion is most unfair.
Sorry if I got you confused

They both rule it a homicide. The one I have been quoting is the one done by the county medical examiner (the one you must have been selectively quoting). I haven't even really looked at the one done by George Floyd's family.

So is there a third one?

 

[deuse]

They both rule it a homicide.

So is there a third one?

But for different reasons.
That is the point.

1 says mechanical asphyxiation.
2 says " "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

So which one is right?

 

[muon]

But for different reasons.
That is the point.

They both disagree on the list of contributory factors. Nevertheless they rule it a homicide caused by police officer, albeit there are other contributory factors in one.

You have evidence that the DA are going with the private autopsy and not the official autopsy? Feels like something someone has made up.

 

[deuse]

They both disagree on the list of contributory factors. Nevertheless they rule it a homicide caused by police officer, albeit there are other contributory factors in one.

You have evidence that the DA are going with the private autopsy and not the official autopsy? Feels like something someone has made up.

Read my edited post.

Edit and read post 130

 

[muon]

But for different reasons.
That is the point.

1 says mechanical asphyxiation.
2 says " "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

So which one is right?

Again incredibly manipulative and selective quoting of the report.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...positive-test-for-coronavirus?t=1615719003616

The final conclusion is this:

Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide.

The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

The claim isn't he was strangled to death which as you've highlighted is ruled out.

 

[deuse]

Again incredibly manipulative and selective quoting of the report.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...positive-test-for-coronavirus?t=1615719003616

The final conclusion is this:



The claim isn't he was strangled to death.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...sy-and-the-structural-gaslighting-of-america/

If you know the US justice system, It's which autopsy says the right thing or what the DA wants to show.

Read post 130

 

[muon]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...sy-and-the-structural-gaslighting-of-america/

If you know the US justice system, It's which autopsy says the right thing.

Can you please show me where the DA is not using the official autopsy.

If they were using the private one only they wouldn't be only charging the officer of third degree murder and manslaughter. It would be much worse.

 

[deuse]

Can you please show me where the DA is not using the official autopsy.

If they were using the private one only they wouldn't be only charging the officer of third degree murder and manslaughter. It would be much worse.

I've said it twice.

Read post 130

"State agrees not to include medical examinations performed by doctor's hired by George Floyd's family"

 

[muon]

Remember there was an autopsy conducted for the family which came to a different conclusion - looks like it won't be used in the trial:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1369016060242956288

I guess it was perhaps more useful for a civil case by the family against the city - get a nice 7 figure pay out etc... This guy would presumably not do well under cross-examination if they actually called him as a witness as it seems that his contradictory conclusion vs the official autopsy was based on the video footage... and some dubious reasoning re: causality whereby because Floyd stopped breathing then the death was due to asphyxia... which is a bit backwards.

This is the same guy who contributed to the Epstein conspiracies - though the press were generally a bit more critical of his findings there.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/why-to-be-skeptical-of-michael-baden-on-epsteins-death.html


I guess if you have a family member die in the US with the possible involvement of the authorities then maybe this is the guy to go to for an opinion to contradict an official autopsy.

I suggest you read this source again.

@deuse

 

[muon]

I've said it twice.

Read post 130

"State agrees not to include medical examinations performed by doctor's hired by George Floyd's family"

Hahaha. So you want that report to be used?

 

[deuse]

I suggest you read this source again.

@deuse

You are a liar.

The guy posted "State agrees not to include medical examinations performed by doctor's hired by George Floyd's family"

 

[muon]

The guy posted "State agrees not to include medical examinations performed by doctor's hired by George Floyd's family"

The one that says its definitely murder? You want that one.

The DA are relying on the official autopsy when I read the criminal complaint.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/derek-chauvin-criminal-complaint-trnd/index.html

 

[deuse]

The one that says its definitely murder? You want that one.

Again.
But they differ.

And I have already said that everything should be showed to the jury
Try reading. And don't call me a liar again.

 

[muon]

Again.
But they differ.

And I have already said that everything should be showed to the jury
Try reading.

I'm completely lost. You want the jury to take as expert evidence the one that mentions nothing about other contributory factors.

 

[deuse]

I'm completely lost. You want the jury to take as evidence the one that mentions nothing about other contributory factors.

Again for you "EVERYTHING"

The 2 autopsies don't agree with the cause of death.

 

[muon]

Again for you "EVERYTHING"

How does this help your argument the DA are manipulating things against the defendent? This helps the defendent by removing any notion of complete liability which will have to be argued against.

Also using private autopsies over (or even with) official ones makes no sense. The DA isn't there to present different theories. They are charging him on a single story.

 

[deuse]

How does this help your argument the DA are manipulating things against the defendent? This helps the defendent by removing any notion of complete liability which will have to be argued against.

Read my post above.
And I am not arguing at all.

What gave you that idea?

 

[muon]

Read my post above.
And I am not arguing at all.

What gave you that idea?

Let me re-read your posts, I probably have your position on this completely wrong.