Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

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I have just seen the body cam footage, I too followed the initial media coverage of this incident and thought it was a bit excessive from the police but now in my mind, I have completely changed my view on the whole thing. Either way, guilty or innocent, there will be blood spilt over this again.
 
To admit Chavin was innocent and Floyd was nothing but a druggie and that the whole thing was concocted by the media who then incited protests and riots and caused deaths just so they could report them? People will deny such a thing would ever be possible.

It is the picture of him kneeling on his neck. People can't unsee it. The baying mob don't care about the actual facts.
 
Is this a real question or are you having a go at somebody?
I bet somethings gone over my head :)
lol it's just I've noticed that when you are in a thread about stuff in the media people tend to quote you even though it was the previous post, to me that just comes across a bit weird and unnecessary.
Then I think about it from their side and the only true reason I could come up with would be to keep a record incase the past was edited? who tf knows tbh
 
lol it's just I've noticed that when you are in a thread about stuff in the media people tend to quote you even though it was the previous post, to me that just comes across a bit weird and unnecessary.
Then I think about it from their side and the only true reason I could come up with would be to keep a record incase the past was edited? who tf knows tbh

Odd thing to bring up. I just do it for clarity and the avoidance of any doubt regarding who I'm replying to. I didn't see that there was any possible downside, but apparently there is if it bothers you :p
 
What probably wasn't mentioned is that the jury can ignore any such directions. Jury nullification is a contentious issue, but as far as I know it still exists in USA law.

I know for a fact it exists in UK law today, but I also believe it exists in US law. The bottom line is that Jurors can pick guilty or not guilty, they do not have to justify their answers and they cannot ever be prosecuted or held liable for their decision, so they can believe someone to be guilty by the strict definition of the law and the circumstances but then vote not-guilty (or vice versa). So you can nullify the effect of a law if sufficient number of jurors basically think the law itself is unjust.

More evidence of corporate media deceptions/lies:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rump-call-Georgia-elections-investigator.html

If he is found not guilty, regardless of the evidence, the media will simply incite more violence on the streets while calling it mostly peaceful protest. They are pushing propaganda, not journalism.

The media coverage in the US has become increasingly polarized and bias, and the public's trust in media is at an all time low, as is true in the UK as well. I think it's largely that citizen journalism such as real live streaming from peoples phones or cameras can be watched before journalists even turn up and they'll trend on social media and places like youtube. And you have alternative media online that are exposing a lot of the bias. These are kind of death throws of classic media to remain relevant by stoking the fire of outrage and produce "click bait" like material. I'm hoping the cabal of traditional "TV" and "TV media" dies in the next few decades and is replaced largely by online media presence. Clips taken by traditional MSM were always out of context where as I can go onto youtube and watch some alternative media dude I've never even heard of just dive into the middle of the riots with a camera and battery pack and record like 6 hours of unedited footage adn you can just watch large chunks of that on 2x speed and get a feel for what is really happening outside of any kind of selective editing.

Half of the MSM would have you believe the riots are brave people standing up to their oppressors and it means we should consider why they're doing it and look at reform and all this kind of stuff. Where as actually groups like the Sunrise project a black lives matter group had their zoom calls leaked where they were talking about arson being a legitimate form of protest against their oppressors. And the alternative media showing you raging fires as stores burn to the ground.

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I haven't watched the footage yet but from what people are saying, the "I can't breathe" comment first happened before he was placed on the ground? Was he restrained of did he have anything around his neck at this point?

If not, this shows just how much control the media have over people. Paying attention to THAT as a takeaway is far more important than some potentially-misguided anti-racism movement.

He says he can't breath before he's physically restrained in any way. The clip the media circulated lacks the full context and so shows the cops in a purely a bad light. The full context reveals 2 important things, first of which the cops made a decent effort to resolve it all peacefully and that it was Floyds constant refusal to cooperate and physically fighting back that lead to force being used in the first place. And second that his health conditions prior to being restrained were obvious, he was obviously erratic due to drug use and had problems breathing. Both will be addressed and be taken into consideration in the trial I have no doubt, where many in the public remain ignorant of this and that divide between how justice is carried out and how media portrays things is going to cause a rift between people that divides them and leads to more anger, resentment and ultimately violence.

You can lean either way on the trial and what you think a correct outcome ought to be, but I think there must be one thing we can surely all agree on here, and that's the media handled this terribly, that their misrepresentation of this could very likely be deliberate for the sake of causing more outrage and thus views/clicks. And that's not good. A man died that day but the resulting chaos killed at least 25 other people across the country due to the riots, and no one gives a s*** about them people. Because you're not told by the MSM to care, because it's not pushed in your face 24/7
 
lol it's just I've noticed that when you are in a thread about stuff in the media people tend to quote you even though it was the previous post, to me that just comes across a bit weird and unnecessary.
Then I think about it from their side and the only true reason I could come up with would be to keep a record incase the past was edited? who tf knows tbh

for me it's mostly in case someone replies while you're typing up your response, making it look like you're replying to them and confusing things, especially in high traffic threads where there can be multiple responses posted before you get your reply down.
 
More evidence of corporate media deceptions/lies:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rump-call-Georgia-elections-investigator.html

If he is found not guilty, regardless of the evidence, the media will simply incite more violence on the streets while calling it mostly peaceful protest. They are pushing propaganda, not journalism.

Except all they got wrong was the actual quotes. Trump was still telling her to look for fraud where no fraud existed. And of course there is his call to the Sec State of Georgia which we've all heard and where he as good as threatened them with a DOJ investigation unless they found him the votes he needed. But then I'm sure you still believe the Big Lie don't you.
 
Justice is already skewed here, if Derek Chauvin isn't found guilty, US will have another 1992 LA riots and that will be even worse now. This is something everyone in the trial is aware.
 
Justice is already skewed here, if Derek Chauvin isn't found guilty, US will have another 1992 LA riots and that will be even worse now. This is something everyone in the trial is aware.

Which will show that the justice system is corrupt and the media rule the country. But we kind of knew that anyway.
 
Well I've known how they work for years, I was involved in newspaper lies in the early 80s involving the spy Andrew Bettany.

I think you mean Michael Bettaney. Our phone didn't stop ringing for weeks, think we had every major media outlet and newspaper in the world phone our house. Even had reporters knocking on the door, I can distinctly remember telling one smarmy git of a reporter who knocked on the front door to 'politely go away' and that if he came back I'd have MI5, or it might have been the KGB, sort him out. :D
 
Is there anything of relevance other than the kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes?

Yes, as has already been mentioned repeatedly.

But that doesn't matter because all that matters is that <insert target group here> are <insert bad thing here> and thus deserve to be targetted.

The targetted group varies - Jews, Christians, Muslims, "blacks", "whites", Hutu, Tutsi, Cossacks, Armenians, "intellectuals"...the list goes on and on.
The chosen Evil Thing They Are varies - oppressors, enemies of the people, counter-revolutionaries, bourgeois, aristocrats, heretics...that list goes on and on too.

But those are just branding exercises. The core message is the same - the target group identity is evil and deserves to be hated and attacked. It's their fault when you attack them! You are righteous in your anger! Their blood is on their hands even as you kill them! <insert group here> power!

Irrational prejudice is a powerful tool. I was reading about the Rwandan genocide yesterday. People hacking their long term neighbours to death with machetes. The rhetoric leading to that was the same. This is how it starts.
 
I think you mean Michael Bettaney. Our phone didn't stop ringing for weeks, think we had every major media outlet and newspaper in the world phone our house. Even had reporters knocking on the door, I can distinctly remember telling one smarmy git of a reporter who knocked on the front door to 'politely go away' and that if he came back I'd have MI5, or it might have been the KGB, sort him out. :D

Yes Michael.
His Mother lived in Wileman Street Fenton and I spent a lot of time at my Nans in Wileman Street (I was nanny reared).
One day in the early 80s a reporter asked me if I knew him and I just said that every now and then he goes to his Mums and I've nodded to him.
I also said we went the same Junior school but he was a lot older than me so never saw him there.
The following day I was in the Mirror or Sun saying that I knew him very well and he showed me his gun and told me about what he got up to :eek:
I went to Longton Police Station to complain about it because I was scared for my life but they couldn't do anything about it.
For at least 6 months I was going out to my car and looking underneath it.

Why were they knocking at your house?
 
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