The only thing that is racial about that case is that 2 humans had white skin and 2 had brown. THe rest is a terrible gun culture, terrible police procedure, America being a gun infested **** hole.
Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)
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The only thing that is racial about that case is that 2 humans had white skin and 2 had brown. THe rest is a terrible gun culture, terrible police procedure, America being a gun infested **** hole.
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This was your opportunity and the best you could offer is a pair of drug dealers that shot at police.
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That is indeed very telling. Another pair of scum bags championed as martyrs.
The blame very much lay at the boyfriend in that instance.
The blame very much lay at the boyfriend in that instance.
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Breonna Taylor was a healthcare worker.
She shared her apartment with her younger sister, Juniyah Palmer. Neither Taylor nor Palmer had any history of drug offenses and no drugs were found at the apartment.
The warrant was for Breonna Taylor, not her boyfriend who they didn't even know would be there.
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This seems like the biggest factor to me.
History of heart disease
Corona positive
Meth in system
Fantanyl in very large dose
Adrenaline from arrest
Whatever your position, that's not a good combination.
He resisted the police and fought with them(knocked the cameras off).
And he was being sedated by paramedics.
If you do as you are told. Nothing happens.
Which crimes and where has that been claimed? You got a link?
Seems very dubious and needs context, I think you're mistaken.
And if she would have done the normal thing of telling the police her old boy friend Jamarcus Glover ( drug trafficker) was no longer living there.
It would not of happened.
Though a dead body (shot 8 times) was found in her rental car (car also used by her then-boyfriend, of course she stayed with him and no one knew anything about the body), she was observed visiting a known crack house under police surveillance and she was receiving packages for her drug dealer ex... but totally had nothing to do with drugs.
It's rather off-topic for this thread though tbh... and I do agree that the police seem to have completely botched that raid, the notion that the raid shouldn't have happened or the myths that it was some case of mistaken identity etc.. are silly.
As with the incident in this thread it got hyped up because of race but in reality, had little to do with race and various bits of context get ignored... like Taylor being some totally innocent civilian the police raided by mistake or Floyd's only crime was handing over a fake $20 bill... something anyone else could do by accident etc..
When in reality Floyd looked wasted when he was in the shop, handed over the bill, had the shop workers come out twice to ask him to pay for the cigarettes, then, on top of being wanted, took two more pills in front of his friends in the car... then had the police arrive and attempted to swallow more drugs still... and everyone ignores the rather obvious fact that this guy was high AF and behind the wheel of a car... exclaiming horror that the police would cuff and put someone to the ground for handing over a fake bill.
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She was fired.
Why the raid then?
Well in case I guess his bullets were made of kitten kisses!
Come on, Vincent, this is your chance. There’s allegedly an epidemic of cops killing innocent black people for no reason, surely you have a big list of champions?
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https://eu.courier-journal.com/stor...-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/
According to the affidavit detective Jaynes wrote for the search warrant, Glover used Taylor's apartment as his home address.
Jaynes also wrote that he "verified through a U.S. postal inspector that Jamarcus Glover has been receiving packages" at Taylor's apartment.
But Jaynes later acknowledged to Public Integrity Unit investigators that he asked Mattingly to verify that Taylor was receiving packages from Glover. He didn't do it himself.
And he said he misunderstood when Mattingly told him that Taylor wasn't receiving packages at her apartment.
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You are the one spreading misinformation
The Kentucky licensure agency says Taylor's license was never suspended, and there is no disciplinary action in her file.
Local attorneys for Taylor's family have clarified that she was working as an ER technician at two area hospitals at the time of her March 13 death, with aspirations of becoming a nurse,
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Where are they, Vincent?
I see you've ignored everything else and focused on packages immediately prior to the raid. Like I said I'm not discounting that the raid was bungled (or indeed aspects of the investigation), I'm disputing the idea that she wasn't a legit target for a raid. This is however off-topic, If you do wish to quote me and discuss it further then lets do it in another thread.
So I made an attempt to come to a conclusion, by not really listening to other opinions or getting on any bandwagons, I simply watched the 35 minute police body cam footage and these are my thoughts regarding Chauvin and the officers, etc.
From the outset, it seems clear that George Floyd isn't in a very good state, he appears to be in the middle of committing a crime - hence the 911 call from the store. When police approach the vehicle and try to question him, it seems clear that he's very high on drugs, unaware of the situation, confused, disoriented and totally uncooperative with the police. I don't think the police did anything wrong here, they approached and tried to control the situation - if I was sat in the driver's seat, I imagine the police wouldn't have behaved much differently. I'd expect to be dragged out of the car and restrained if I didn't cooporate, or was high as a kite and behind the wheel of a car.....
When they remove him from the vehicle after he falls over and resists, and he's sat against the wall, the police seem to be quite decent with him - they obviously have him detained but they're being quite reasonable, but it's clear he's all over the place. I doubt police, paramedics, or anybody would have had much luck asking him to do anything - he was totally smashed.
At the end of the day, it all goes south when they try to get him in the car, but he's so wrecked on drugs - he's totally unable to control himself, unable to understand what's going on, falls on the floor and it obviously leads to the police having to restrain him the way they did.
Regarding cause of death, I think in court it'll come down to a battle of the experts, one expert says it was a heart attack due to his obvious poor health - another will say it was the knee which suffocated him. But what's clear to me, is that his own actions (being smashed on drugs, and committing crime) led the police to him, and he ended up in that position entirely because of his own making, I don't think the fact he was black, had anything to do with it. He was a walking health timebomb and those specific circumstances were enough to end his life. Eg: swallowing drugs in the car whilst trying to evade police capture, it's not exactly condusive to a good outcome...
Did he deserve to die? Of course not. I imagine the circumstances which led to him being in that state, are long and complicated and go back over many years though, for me it's likely a failure of upbringing, the US social systems and the health system that allowed him to end up the way he did.
Do I think Chauvin is guilty? Depends.
For me it comes down to the knee on the neck, I believe from the evidence that the knee/neck restraint is a technique which is taught to officers to restrain suspects, in the final analysis - Floyd wasn't cooporating with police at all, so I think restraining him was the right thing to do; If I was behaving like that, wrecked on drugs having been dragged from behind the wheel of a car after using fake money - I'd expect to have a very bad day with the cops....
Based on what the police were called to, Floyd's behaviour and general state - I'm struggling to come to a conclusion that Chauvin should be found guilty. If the knee to the neck was 100% determined to be the cause of death and nothing else was a contributing factor, then maybe that would swing the needle towards guilty. But the fact his system was full of hard street drugs, erodes that theory for me.
At the end of the day, if it was a white guy, or anybody behaving in that manner - I'd expect a similar outcome... I don't think this was "racist cops murder black guy" which is how it's being framed, at all.
I don't really want to go on arguing with anybody about this, these are just my own personal thoughts from watching the bodycam footage, I'm honestly frightening of discussing things like this online, but I don't want to just jump on a bandwagon for the sake of it, I just want to know what the truth of the matter is, that's all.
From the outset, it seems clear that George Floyd isn't in a very good state, he appears to be in the middle of committing a crime - hence the 911 call from the store. When police approach the vehicle and try to question him, it seems clear that he's very high on drugs, unaware of the situation, confused, disoriented and totally uncooperative with the police. I don't think the police did anything wrong here, they approached and tried to control the situation - if I was sat in the driver's seat, I imagine the police wouldn't have behaved much differently. I'd expect to be dragged out of the car and restrained if I didn't cooporate, or was high as a kite and behind the wheel of a car.....
When they remove him from the vehicle after he falls over and resists, and he's sat against the wall, the police seem to be quite decent with him - they obviously have him detained but they're being quite reasonable, but it's clear he's all over the place. I doubt police, paramedics, or anybody would have had much luck asking him to do anything - he was totally smashed.
At the end of the day, it all goes south when they try to get him in the car, but he's so wrecked on drugs - he's totally unable to control himself, unable to understand what's going on, falls on the floor and it obviously leads to the police having to restrain him the way they did.
Regarding cause of death, I think in court it'll come down to a battle of the experts, one expert says it was a heart attack due to his obvious poor health - another will say it was the knee which suffocated him. But what's clear to me, is that his own actions (being smashed on drugs, and committing crime) led the police to him, and he ended up in that position entirely because of his own making, I don't think the fact he was black, had anything to do with it. He was a walking health timebomb and those specific circumstances were enough to end his life. Eg: swallowing drugs in the car whilst trying to evade police capture, it's not exactly condusive to a good outcome...
Did he deserve to die? Of course not. I imagine the circumstances which led to him being in that state, are long and complicated and go back over many years though, for me it's likely a failure of upbringing, the US social systems and the health system that allowed him to end up the way he did.
Do I think Chauvin is guilty? Depends.
For me it comes down to the knee on the neck, I believe from the evidence that the knee/neck restraint is a technique which is taught to officers to restrain suspects, in the final analysis - Floyd wasn't cooporating with police at all, so I think restraining him was the right thing to do; If I was behaving like that, wrecked on drugs having been dragged from behind the wheel of a car after using fake money - I'd expect to have a very bad day with the cops....
Based on what the police were called to, Floyd's behaviour and general state - I'm struggling to come to a conclusion that Chauvin should be found guilty. If the knee to the neck was 100% determined to be the cause of death and nothing else was a contributing factor, then maybe that would swing the needle towards guilty. But the fact his system was full of hard street drugs, erodes that theory for me.
At the end of the day, if it was a white guy, or anybody behaving in that manner - I'd expect a similar outcome... I don't think this was "racist cops murder black guy" which is how it's being framed, at all.
I don't really want to go on arguing with anybody about this, these are just my own personal thoughts from watching the bodycam footage, I'm honestly frightening of discussing things like this online, but I don't want to just jump on a bandwagon for the sake of it, I just want to know what the truth of the matter is, that's all.
Just FYI, some other things worth taking into account - the official autopsy report + the 2019 arrest video & details.
I think a manslaughter conviction is a possibility but dubious, though I think really they should have had an assault charge there for Chauvin - I think Chauvin went a bit beyond what he was supposed to do but I also think there is plenty of reasonable doubt re: the knee being the cause of death as opposed to simply:
A combination of the drugs (already high in the store) + more drugs (two pills taken in the car when with friends before police arrived) + more drugs (unknown number of pills scoffed hastily when the police arrived) + his anxiety, raised heart rate at being arrested.
The 2019 arrest in particular gives some extra doubt here - in that incident, he follows very similar behaviour - he also hastily swallows some drugs when stopped by the police and importantly a paramedic later takes his blood pressure, notes that it is very high and essentially tells him that he's at risk of dying from a hear attack! He was taken to hospital and survived... but it gives the context, he has underlying health issues and drugs + arrest then could have risked a similar incident too. That throws plenty of doubt on the idea that Chauving killed him even if Chauvin's behaviour was going too far.
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See this is why Black Lives Matter is a thing. People like yourself explaining away the authoritarian killing of black people because you blame the victims and believe the police should be able to kill them under certain circumstances while the other half of society is outraged by it. Most modern western societies have evolved beyond such authoritianism.
BTW police were caught having a good laugh about the murder of Ellijah McClain after the fact
Can tell you haven't even watched the video and have just swallowed the media edited version.
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