Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

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I really find a massive stretch of the imagination for people to think a man dying during being choked by knee chokehold on the neck to be nothing more than a 'coincidence'.

Frubeling said:
Didn't the autopsy show absolutely no injuries corresponding to choking? You'd have bruising, broken bones, a crushed trachea or suchlike
None of that showed up.

I watched the footage many times myself, admittedly its been a while since I last saw it and if memory doesn't fail me his knee was on the side of Floyd's neck and not the front.
Now I'm not encouraging you to harm yourself here, but take your hand and apply increasing pressure to the side of your neck. You'll find you probably do other damage before you come close to asphyxiation due to the musculature around that part of the throat
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No, there aren't any injuries corresponding to choking in many cases of asphyxiation other than broken bloodvessels within the eyes.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...sy-and-the-structural-gaslighting-of-america/

"Asphyxia—suffocation—does not always demonstrate physical signs, as other physician groups have noted."
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
I really find a massive stretch of the imagination for people to think a man dying during being choked by knee chokehold on the neck to be nothing more than a 'coincidence'.
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I don't think anyone is claiming it's a coincidence. Rather that his inability to breathe started before anyone even touched him

And again, the position of the knee on the side of the neck means there would be absolutely no way that it was causing any kind of obstruction WITHOUT those injuries. There's too much structural support there for you to obstruct the airway without first causing damage. "Many" cases aren't this case
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
I really find a massive stretch of the imagination for people to think a man dying during being choked by knee chokehold on the neck to be nothing more than a 'coincidence'.



No, there aren't any injuries corresponding to choking in many cases of asphyxiation other than broken bloodvessels within the eyes.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...sy-and-the-structural-gaslighting-of-america/

"Asphyxia—suffocation—does not always demonstrate physical signs, as other physician groups have noted."
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No white people in that group. How racist and one sided.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
The reason for most criminal enterprise and the killings that occur amongst this lifestyle go hand in hand with the war on drugs. Prohibition didn't stop people drinking, it made underground criminal enterprize a thing. Like drinking people won't stop taking drugs. If you decriminalise and regulate it you remove nearly all of the criminal enterprize and killing associated with it.

Other than that there should be programs to get young people from disadvantage backgrounds into meaningful persuits
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That awkward moment when you realise that there is a 3:1 ratio of white US citizens living in poverty compared to black citizens.

So you would expect 1/3 the crime if we were basing this on economic situations.
 
I practice BJJ (brazilian jiu jitsu) and have had many choke holds on myself and done many to others, when done correctly, you pass out long before any sort of lasting damage occurs, quickest I've put someone to sleep is 11 seconds. As for knee on neck, your knee would have to be in a very specific location with sufficient pressure to prevent someone from breathing.

I still think the combination of drugs, elevated heart rate and increased adrenaline were more likely the cause that lead to his death.
 
MadMossy said:
I practice BJJ (brazilian jiu jitsu) and have had many choke holds on myself and done many to others, when done correctly, you pass out long before any sort of lasting damage occurs, quickest I've put someone to sleep is 11 seconds. As for knee on neck, your knee would have to be in a very specific location with sufficient pressure to prevent someone from breathing.

I still think the combination of drugs, elevated heart rate and increased adrenaline were more likely the cause that lead to his death.
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That's very interesting.
Thank you.
 
EDIT: the previous video, thats a blood choke.

I just read some of the testimonies and the apparent mixed martial arts expert is full of crap.

He said the officer was using a dangerous technique called the "blood choke"

That is infact the best and safest way to subdue someone, as said previously you put someone to sleep in around 10 seconds.

An "air choke" is the dangerous one, where you put increased pressure on their windpipe which can and often does lead to extensive damage, specially if done incorrectly, the also takes way longer to actually work increasing the chance of damage.
 
MadMossy said:
EDIT: the previous video, thats a blood choke.

I just read some of the testimonies and the apparent mixed martial arts expert is full of crap.

He said the officer was using a dangerous technique called the "blood choke"

That is infact the best and safest way to subdue someone, as said previously you put someone to sleep in around 10 seconds.

An "air choke" is the dangerous one, where you put increased pressure on their windpipe which can and often does lead to extensive damage, specially if done incorrectly, the also takes way longer to actually work increasing the chance of damage.
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How do we know which chocked George? Or maybe it was a combination of both.
 
MadMossy said:
I practice BJJ (brazilian jiu jitsu) and have had many choke holds on myself and done many to others, when done correctly, you pass out long before any sort of lasting damage occurs, quickest I've put someone to sleep is 11 seconds. As for knee on neck, your knee would have to be in a very specific location with sufficient pressure to prevent someone from breathing.

I still think the combination of drugs, elevated heart rate and increased adrenaline were more likely the cause that lead to his death.
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I think you are talking rubbish. If you do BJJ then you know how quickly someone can go out, with both blood and air chokes, or at least how quickly someone will tap when something is on rather than try and fight out of it during light rolling.

The opposite is also true, I know guys who can be caught in a triangle for ages, and will struggle, fight, stack, posture up, and eventually either tap due to exhaustion, or slowly go out over a long time as they aren’t getting enough of what they need to stay conscious. That’s what happened to George Floyd.
 
hurfdurf said:
I think you are talking rubbish. If you do BJJ then you know how quickly someone can go out, with both blood and air chokes, or at least how quickly someone will tap when something is on rather than try and fight out of it during light rolling.

The opposite is also true, I know guys who can be caught in a triangle for ages, and will struggle, fight, stack, posture up, and eventually either tap due to exhaustion, or slowly go out over a long time as they aren’t getting enough of what they need to stay conscious. That’s what happened to George Floyd.
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I know exactly how fast someone can be put out, I also know plenty of people who think they are hard enough and resist tapping out until they can't. The position of the officers knee would make it impossible to block both the arteries and airway. I could possibly see the pressure on the back of his neck maybe causing increased pressure on his voice box, but is it enough to make someone suffocate that isn't high as a kite. That is what the jury need to decide.
 
Skunkworks said:
Can you provide examples of air chokes from pressure on one side of the back of the neck, hurfdurf?
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It’s not just one side, it’s the force on back of the neck and the opposite side being forced into the ground with what could be the entire or majority weight of an adult human and no where for that force to go but flattening and squishing into the ground.

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