Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

StriderX · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:20

robgmun said:
Looks like in about 20 mins (9:30pm GMT)

I hope the police crunches down on any rioting tonight whatever the verdict is. I'm sick to bloody death of people taking advantage of the situation to cause anarchy and steal stuff whenever they see the opportunity.

If American's want to set their country on fire, that is up to them.

abbviper · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:21

With it being so quick, I think they will come back with guilty of second degree murder (not seen any of the trial). I think the jury will be too frightened to come back with anything less given the interference from politicians.

Enkore · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:22

StriderX said:
If American's want to set their country on fire, that is up to them.

I'm sure somehow rioting will spill on London too. Like last time, people were slightly confused as to why.

StriderX · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:23

abbviper said:
With it being so quick, I think they will come back with guilty of second degree murder (not seen any of the trial). I think the jury will be too frightened to come back with anything less given the interference from politicians.

If the jury is afraid, then they should push for mistrial... anything else would be illogical unless the evidence proves or disproves the case.

danoliver1 · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:23

Screeeech · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:24

So my understanding is they have to come back with verdicts for all three charges, they can find him guilty or not guilty of all charges - or a mixture of guilty / not guilty.

I'll be quite suprised if they do find him guilty of second degree murder, as I just didn't see the intent from the evidence, but maybe I'm wrong, I didn't sit through all of it.

Colonel_Klinck · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:27

abbviper said:
With it being so quick, I think they will come back with guilty of second degree murder (not seen any of the trial). I think the jury will be too frightened to come back with anything less given the interference from politicians.

You are welcome to your opinion, my opinion is that is nonsense. You don't get 12 people agreeing to convict someone because they are afraid. If someone even suggested that in the jury room it should/would be reported to the judge.

robgmun · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:28

StriderX said:
If American's want to set their country on fire, that is up to them.

No because idiots here will see it as an example. We seen the rise in US style "protesting" in the last couple of years here in the UK and it needs to end.

dowie · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:28

I'd assume, given the makeup of the jury, it isn't going to be not guilty - would surely be at least one hold out given the number of young people on there... and given there isn't a hung jury then...

StriderX · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:29

To remind about the charges,

1. Second-degree unintentional murder
2. Third-degree murder
3. Second-degree manslaughter

Colonel_Klinck · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:31

Screeeech said:
So my understanding is they have to come back with verdicts for all three charges, they can find him guilty or not guilty of all charges - or a mixture of guilty / not guilty.

I'll be quite suprised if they do find him guilty of second degree murder, as I just didn't see the intent from the evidence, but maybe I'm wrong, I didn't sit through all of it.

3rd degree murder doesn't require intent.

McBain · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:31

Less than a day deliberating id be surprised if its anything other than guilty.

Screeeech · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:33

Colonel_Klinck said:
3rd degree murder doesn't require intent.

Correct - I was referring to the second degree charge.

StriderX · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:33

I think it's likely that Water's comment will be used to appeal and it'll be ironic if a future verdict is reduced, especially so if the case is thrown out entirely.

Naff8000 · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:34

Some expert on ABC news predicting one of the murder charges.

FoxEye · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:35

Naff8000 said:
Some expert on ABC news predicting one of the murder charges.

The BBC have been lining up commentators who all predict guilty on all 3 counts. Can't say I'm surprised (at the predictions).

(Which isn't to say that I predicted anything one way or the other, just that I'm not surprised the BBC would have as guests people who predict guilty on all charges

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Randomface74 · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:36

Lol @ news predicting something that's gonna happen in a minute. Just chill for a min then watch the actual thing!

dowie · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:37

Livestream here:

https://www.startribune.com/watch-l...rek-chauvin-for-george-floyd-death/600031682/

edit - I was wrong - he can be convicted on all three, misread the info on a betting market earlier.

omnomnom · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:40

How does it work in the states? Is it a majority or do ALL have to agree?

banbom44 · 20 Apr 2021 at 21:40

i always thought if you kill someone but don't mean to its manslaughter am i wrong and you should never run a legal system because you are worried about the potential of mob justice or riots.