Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

FoxEye · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:24

FortuitousFluke said:
Hmm, this doesn't mesh with what this thread has been saying for weeks.....did you guys even pass the bar?

Correct decision. Now the momentum needs to be held to push for reform.

Care to elaborate on what the reform should be?

banbom44 · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:24

Malevolence said:
Simple solution. Just let blacks get on with committing crime and refuse to arrest them. See how long it takes for people to realise the problem isn't the cops.

If they want to destroy their own communite's and shops let them get on with it they only have themselves to blame when the business owners don't come back.

Enkore · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:24

#Rot in hell trending on twitter.

StriderX · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:25

MadMossy said:
The expression in his eyes when that first verdict was read out, was very much "wtf".

Absolutely no way in the world was he guilty of pre-meditated murder. The jury have obviously been influenced by the media/news, if this verdict isn't overturned. America is up a creek without a paddle.

None of the charges here require premeditation as far as I understand it.

Enkore · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:25

Junglist said:
And here we go. One side is happy with the decision and the other side furious.

I don't think the word 'polarised' even justifies the split of people any more

Russians at it again, polarizing american politics.

dowie · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:25

Colonel_Klinck said:
You saw the witness list, I posted it. There were more police on it, they just didn't call them all, they didn't need them.

That doesn't negate the obvious effect here! Might not be "today" per se as the other poster claimed but that department is struggling re: losing officers already and this will quite likely continue.

thenewoc · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:25

FoxEye said:
They're going to have to re-write the training manuals at the very least.

As a white officer encountering a black person who is resisting arrest, it's now going to be a balancing act between doing your job and protecting your own ass from prosecution.

Interesting the BBC the commentators are all now saying, "This is just the start. We want to overhaul policing completely."

Given that a significant number want to abolish the police entirely (lol), this sure is interesting times.

Probably become more trigger happy with tazer's

Zatoichi.uK · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:25

montymint said:
second degree murder in the states isn't pre-meditated. That's first degree.

2nd is still intentional though. No idea how they reached that conclusion.

MadMossy · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:26

montymint said:
second degree murder in the states isn't pre-meditated. That's first degree.

Intent then, what ever it is, its BS. Looks like mob rule wins.

FoxEye · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:26

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
What utter dribble

I also see many of the resident OC racists are once again letting their masks slip

What's dribble? You think I invented that? Lol, it's been mentioned by several commentators on the BBC, which I imagine you must have seen yourself...

MadMossy · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:27

sharp910sh said:
I wonder why so many people on this forum said he was not guilty. Was obvious he was guilty.

Most us thought not guilty to murder, but possibly manslaughter due to negligence.

PlacidCasual · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:27

adolf hamster said:
trickier than if it had been innocent or somewhere between, at least i could believe the jury hadn't been influenced, but this really does raise the question how much of this decision is political rather than the specifics of the trial.

I’m more inclined to believe that no juror was brave enough to say not guilty on the basis of reasonable doubt. It would probably feel like a death sentence. At least 11 other people would know it was you and you would live in fear of word getting out.

ebilcake · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:27

If I was cop in the US right now I would be handing in my badge, not worth the risk arresting a black man it seems.

dowie · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:28

sharp910sh said:
I wonder why so many people on this forum said he was not guilty. Was obvious he was guilty.

Of murder? Not really and quite obvious that will be appealed too.

weringo · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:28

Suggest a few people in this thread have a read of what he was actually convicted of. Second degree murder doesn't require an intent to kill. Its all summarised in the jury's instructions which are only a few pages long here.

FoxEye · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:28

thenewoc said:
Probably become more trigger happy with tazer's

I imagine the chances are quite high that a tazer would also have killed Floyd!

Screeeech · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:28

Zatoichi.uK said:
2nd is still intentional though. No idea how they reached that conclusion.

I think the actual charge was "second degree unintentional homicide" or "felony murder" which basically means; George Floyd died whilst Derek Chauvin was assaulting him, I think. Which differs from "second degree murder" which just requires intent to kill.

Randomface74 · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:29

Zatoichi.uK said:
2nd is still intentional though. No idea how they reached that conclusion.

Coz he was basically dead and the cop stayed on him. If someone's dying u get off them. That was reckless disregard for life.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:29

FoxEye said:
What's dribble? You think I invented that? Lol, it's been mentioned by several commentators on the BBC, which I imagine you must have seen yourself...

The right wing have deliberately and disingenuously interpreted the BLM's 'defund the police' idea. NO significant amount of people want to 'abolish the police' :rolleyes:

McGraw · 20 Apr 2021 at 22:30

No pulse