Did anyone get the FE version? Anyone?

[Rroff]

Moores law is dead was right though, as I also believed.

Right about what? he just runs with whatever story will get the most hits in the moment even if it contradicts what he said was emphatically the case 2 minutes ago - first the cards were going to be 7nm TSMC for definite, then 8nm Samsung after kop leaked but it was going to have poor yields, etc. then suddenly Samsung 8nm is all rosy but it is nVidia playing market games when it suits a different story.

Problem is people see the story they want to believe (which acts like confirmation bias) and somehow ignore the rest.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Question is are the brand loyal Nvidia customers starting to wise up now?

I have. I'm actually shocked to see that Nvidia are promoting the AIB price gouge on their own product page. This has really opened my eyes to this racketeering. I just pre ordered a PS5 this morning, at RRP. That's how it's supposed to be done.

 

[DarrenM343]

I hear there are ways to stop bots, but nvidia did nothing to stop it.

I'm not convinced by the bot story. Apart from the bots case, so much other nonsense is going around atm is rather laughable.
Makes it difficult for bots when only 1 per customer allowed for a start
Real bad showing from NV but the simplest explanation is probably the right one. They had low or no stock at all.
I think NV would rather sell their own FE cards than AIB's. While I could be wrong, I'd expect AIB sales to be lower profit margin than FE's.

It does back the case for for just releasing the entire range now inc reviews. Having separate launch dates and "Notify me" option just seems pointless if the demand is going to wipe out supply instantly.
Massive demand for the 3080.

 

[Rroff]

I'm not convinced by the bot story. Apart from the bots case, so much other nonsense is going around atm is rather laughable.
Real bad showing from NV but the simplest explanation is probably the right one. They had low or no stock at all.
I think NV would rather sell their own FE cards than AIB's. While I could be wrong, I'd expect AIB sales to be lower profit margin than FE's.

It does back the case for for just releasing the entire range now inc benchmarks. Having separate launch dates and "Notify me" option just seems pointless if the demand is going to wipe out supply instantly.
Massive demand for the 3080

Mostly it is massive demand + fairly low stock + coronavirus shipping delays. It has been the same really for previous launches they've only had a few 1000 units of the cards with much higher demand only this time there are the added issues due to the coronavirus situation, etc. (The simplest explanation here is likely to be the right one as you said).

I can't verify the authenticity but images and Twitter posts going around from people who claim to have active orders in the dozens via bots and if so that will be only the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Kaapstad]

Ultimately I am waiting for the Ampere Titan, fortunately hardly anyone wants one.

No point in using bots to buy them up either as NVidia have already inflated the price.

Was going to get a FE 3090 to keep me going but will probably wait for one of the better non reference ones like the Kingpin.

 

[Nablaoperator]

I was interested in buying 3090 but looking at the 3080 launch..I have decided to take better care of my health and disembark the hype train.. realistically hoping to buy them sometime in October..but then as well wait till November cuz then it's too close to the Navi reveal

 

[DarrenM343]

Mostly it is massive demand + fairly low stock + coronavirus shipping delays. It has been the same really for previous launches they've only had a few 1000 units of the cards with much higher demand only this time there are the added issues due to the coronavirus situation, etc.

I can't verify the authenticity but images and Twitter posts going around from people who claim to have active orders in the dozens via bots and if so that will be only the tip of the iceberg.

I've seen the post on the NV forum too but probably winding people up, same as Twiter, probably .
It'd be easy to get orders in via multiple sites though. Heck, I could probably write one quickly to order on OCUK but would probably fail for a while until got the process right.
On NV website, the 1 per customer limit makes it more difficult. Even if bots could avoid that limit via direct access to an API, but I'd expect that limit to be there too, then I would expect NV to be running a simple query on shipping addresses

 

[Dave2150]

Well could not get a 3080 FE so will go for a 3090 FE if get any luck this time round...

I'm thinking the same. Most I'll pay for a 3080 is £650, and as the FE is within 1% seemingly of even the better AIB cards, they are not worth £850+. Anything over £650 and the 3090 gets better value, since it's going to be at least 20-30% faster than a 3080, and will have higher resale value with it's 24GB VRAM.

Hopefully for the 3090FE, there'll be much less interest, due to the price. That will still mean tens of thousands will be trying to buy one, but still a better chance than every man and his dog trying to get a cheap 3080

 

[TNA]

Bots or no, doubt there was much FE stock allocated to the UK anyway. This is Nvidia’s fault.

 

[Rroff]

Ultimately I am waiting for the Ampere Titan, fortunately hardly anyone wants one.

No point in using bots to buy them up either as NVidia have already inflated the price.

Was going to get a FE 3090 to keep me going but will probably wait for one of the better non reference ones like the Kingpin.

From what I'm lead to believe the core which the Titan would have been based on was abandoned on Samsung 8nm so you might be waiting awhile - hence I'm guessing why the 3090 model number got used.

 

[Kaapstad]

I'm thinking the same. Most I'll pay for a 3080 is £650, and as the FE is within 1% seemingly of even the better AIB cards, they are not worth £850+. Anything over £650 and the 3090 gets better value, since it's going to be at least 20-30% faster than a 3080, and will have higher resale value with it's 24GB VRAM.

Hopefully for the 3090FE, there'll be much less interest, due to the price. That will still mean tens of thousands will be trying to buy one, but still a better chance than every man and his dog trying to get a cheap 3080

There will be less interest in the 3090 but NVidia will also have less stock so end result could be the same as the 3080 situation on launch day.

I think the odds of me being able to get a FE 3090 on launch day are almost zero.

 

[Chrisc]

I was just more annoyed I couldn't get on the forum.

 

[Nasher]

I was interested in buying 3090 but looking at the 3080 launch..I have decided to take better care of my health and disembark the hype train.. realistically hoping to buy them sometime in October..but then as well wait till November cuz then it's too close to the Navi reveal

Yep, I dont get why everyone is rushing to buy now. There is no reason to.

Prices are higher and any issues (like space invaders) are still unknown. I bet these people install the windows 10 feature updates on day one too

 

[Ayahuasca]

There will be less interest in the 3090 but NVidia will also have less stock so end result could be the same as the 3080 situation on launch day.

I think the odds of me being able to get a FE 3090 on launch day are almost zero.

This, more people on this forum alone will eventually end up with a 3090 than nVidia will have on their UK shop at launch.

 

[Kaapstad]

From what I'm lead to believe the core which the Titan would have been based on was abandoned on Samsung 8nm so you might be waiting awhile - hence I'm guessing why the 3090 model number got used.

Whatever happens I think there will be a full fat card that uses the full GA102 but what NVidia name it is any ones guess, I don't think there will be enough performance increase to justify calling it the Titan.

 

[Azrael1]

I'm not convinced by the bot story. Apart from the bots case, so much other nonsense is going around atm is rather laughable.
Makes it difficult for bots when only 1 per customer allowed for a start
Real bad showing from NV but the simplest explanation is probably the right one. They had low or no stock at all.
I think NV would rather sell their own FE cards than AIB's. While I could be wrong, I'd expect AIB sales to be lower profit margin than FE's.

It does back the case for for just releasing the entire range now inc reviews. Having separate launch dates and "Notify me" option just seems pointless if the demand is going to wipe out supply instantly.
Massive demand for the 3080.

There would have been limited FE stock as well but that was to be expected from nvidia.

Not sure if you are trolling or not - Bots - Multiple email addresses and family members addresses etc and so on. The nvidia sites had no captcha to catch bots so they worked their magic way too well.

Its all money and investment. If I had 13K cash outlay and bought 20 cards and sold those card for like £900 after fees each thats 7K profit alone. Minus the cost for the monthly bot fee.

If you think of it that way - you are 100% guaranteed to make cash at a much higher ROI.

 

[Azrael1]

I've seen the post on the NV forum too but probably winding people up, same as Twiter, probably .
It'd be easy to get orders in via multiple sites though. Heck, I could probably write one quickly to order on OCUK but would probably fail for a while until got the process right.
On NV website, the 1 per customer limit makes it more difficult. Even if bots could avoid that limit via direct access to an API, but I'd expect that limit to be there too, then I would expect NV to be running a simple query on shipping addresses

As Nvidia stated

"To stop bots and scalpers on the NVIDIA store, we’re doing everything humanly possible, including manually reviewing orders, to get these cards in the hands of legitimate customers."

Which would suggest their system let bots buy the cards..... Hopefully this will be fixed but checking wasn't in place yesterday its implied

 

[BigBANGtheory]

I'm not convinced by the bot story. Apart from the bots case, so much other nonsense is going around atm is rather laughable.
Makes it difficult for bots when only 1 per customer allowed for a start
Real bad showing from NV but the simplest explanation is probably the right one. They had low or no stock at all.

Bots is just a PR crisis management story from Nvidia to hide the simple truth they don't want to sell anything without a whooping great margin.

What's going to be interesting here is who publicly calls them out for it vs. those that say nothing or try and spin it.

 

[Rroff]

Whatever happens I think there will be a full fat card that uses the full GA102 but what NVidia name it is any ones guess, I don't think there will be enough performance increase to justify calling it the Titan.

Yeah 82 (3090) v 84 (full core) SMs doesn't leave much room and probably comes at a slight frequency penalty as well.

Bots is just a PR crisis management story from Nvidia to hide the simple truth they don't want to sell anything without a whooping great margin.

What's going to be interesting here is who publicly calls them out for it vs. those that say nothing or try and spin it.

At the moment that is purely conjecture and we've not really seen anything different from past launches people seem to have short memories. If anyone can prove it I'll be the first complaining about the price and performance tiers :s

 

[Azrael1]

I was just more annoyed I couldn't get on the forum.

Same - it was crazy I would get messages that so and so made a comment on the forum and then think it was up and try and get on and it was still unable to connect !

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