Did Brexit kill AlieExpress?

Kenai said:
The way I read it, I think this is for anywhere, not just European - i.e. US and Australian companies for example are now expected to VAT register, collect VAT and pay HMRC if they want to sell into the UK, whereas they weren't last week.

An amusing example being William Shatner's store no longer shipping to the UK as they claim it's not worth the cost & effort involved now.
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It does seem like a pretty blunt instrument that is completely at odds to many Tory MPs' professed ideologies - clunky bureaucracy increasing cost and reducing choice for UK consumers.

(NB, I'm not talking about any VAT avoidance - I mean the cost of the added bureaucracy to small companies already adhering to the tax requirements who now have to jump through more hoops)
 
Everyone: "The government should get a handle on people and companies dodging tax"
UK Government: "Everyone must pay VAT at the point of sale to avoid tax dodging"
Everyone: "hang on, this is going to cost me more money! They can't do that!"
 
Hades said:
Everyone: "The government should get a handle on people and companies dodging tax"
UK Government: "Everyone must pay VAT at the point of sale to avoid tax dodging"
Everyone: "hang on, this is going to cost me more money! They can't do that!"
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Pretty much this...

Sweden pulled some BS in the past year that anything from China, EXCEPT from Wish (the biggest ****hole shop in the universe) has to pay "normal postage" and ontop VAT and a 70KR handling fee. Basically that makes them as as expensive as domestic shops... (the point)
Get used to it..
 
Hades said:
Everyone: "The government should get a handle on people and companies dodging tax"
UK Government: "Everyone must pay VAT at the point of sale to avoid tax dodging"
Everyone: "hang on, this is going to cost me more money! They can't do that!"
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Haha exactly this :D
Going to be an unpleasant shock for some people
 
Hades said:
Everyone: "The government should get a handle on people and companies dodging tax"
UK Government: "Everyone must pay VAT at the point of sale to avoid tax dodging"
Everyone: "hang on, this is going to cost me more money! They can't do that!"
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The problem isn't going to be so much whether things cost more money, more so whether a significant number of smaller businesses selling into the UK start to decide it's too much hassle if they're expected to register with HMRC and do all the UK tax paperwork and payments themselves, where it was previously dealt with as import VAT via customs.
 
Kenai said:
The problem isn't going to be so much whether things cost more money, more so whether a significant number of smaller businesses selling into the UK start to decide it's too much hassle if they're expected to register with HMRC and do all the UK tax paperwork and payments themselves, where it was previously dealt with as import VAT via customs.
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Like a scooter importer say?
 
Hades said:
Everyone: "The government should get a handle on people and companies dodging tax"
UK Government: "Everyone must pay VAT at the point of sale to avoid tax dodging"
Everyone: "hang on, this is going to cost me more money! They can't do that!"
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so does this stop amazon, starbucks etc from avoiding paying taxes ? or just their competition ie the little man trading from his bedroom, like how OCUK started
 
arknor said:
so does this stop amazon, starbucks etc from avoiding paying taxes ? or just their competition ie the little man trading from his bedroom, like how OCUK started
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It's about VAT, not related to the stories you hear of big companies avoiding corporation tax.

Most things starbucks sell will be zero-rated so they probably don't pay much VAT anyway.
 
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neocon said:
Why's it double?
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No idea. It was on a deal the price went up after from £150 to £175-£190. It's now went up again. Actually it's hard to find stock too might be a supply or manufacturing issue playing into it too.

However it's went up everywhere it was £250 on Amazon and now £300 odd. Amazon is actually matching AliExpress pricing currently which is unheard of.
 
Hades said:
Everyone: "The government should get a handle on people and companies dodging tax"
UK Government: "Everyone must pay VAT at the point of sale to avoid tax dodging"
Everyone: "hang on, this is going to cost me more money! They can't do that!"
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Every quisling I have ever met that bangs on about paying a fair share or higher taxes almost always assumed it wouldn't be them paying it and it but Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates will be picking up the tab. Not one of them pays more into the system than they are required to.

I am no expert on this as i have only done some brief reading to see how this will affect my business, but aren't these rules essentially whats coming for the whole of the EU this year?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/MEMO_16_3746
 
p1RATE said:
Every quisling I have ever met that bangs on about paying a fair share or higher taxes almost always assumed it wouldn't be them paying it and it but Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates will be picking up the tab. Not one of them pays more into the system than they are required to.

I am no expert on this as i have only done some brief reading to see how this will affect my business, but aren't these rules essentially whats coming for the whole of the EU this year?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/MEMO_16_3746
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Similar but as noted in your link, AFAIK their implementation is tied to the local tax agency systems to try to simplify compliance for the sellers affected.

We're expecting sellers in other countries to register and pay directly into our VAT system themselves.

Plus they have the advantage of being a much bigger market for someone to bother jumping through extra hoops for.
 
They really need to clamp down on this junk coming from china and stating £0.01 as a value to avoid tax, that plus the CCP subsidising all freight worldwide to fuel their economy.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
They really need to clamp down on this junk coming from china and stating £0.01 as a value to avoid tax, that plus the CCP subsidising all freight worldwide to fuel their economy.
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But I like all my 3d printer parts arriving with 1 dollar on the bag. Saves me a lot of extra fees from da past man.
 
Em3bbs said:
Who mentioned tax evasion? You have been talking about tax avoidance. I thought you'd be happy that the Government are finally plugging these loopholes.
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For starters there is a difference between Amazon or Ebay evading UK taxes and VAT via Luxemburg brass plaque registrations and lofty interpretations of the law and UK gov wrecking business for all small companies inside and outside of UK by coming up with idiotic rule trying to charge all businesses UK taxes while there is no existing mechanism for them to navigate it from inside of their tax systems.

Don't think Ali Express, think sellers on eBay, think sellers on Amazon, think the guys that supply your local corner shop with foreign goods - from tomatoes, oranges to a flipping jar of german sauerkraut on the shelf. No business will agree the amount of bureaucracy and turnover frozen mid air regardless of the size, but small fish (pardon the Brexit pun) will sure flake out first.

I'm sure you are aware, and if not, you will be aware within literally days - that VAT doesn't work anywhere in the world the way our .gov wants it to. I'm not even sure where this **** legislation stems from. It wasn't part of EU negotiations, it wasn't part of Brexit and it doesn't work for you as a (I presume) Brexiter - it's exact opposite of what was supposed to happen and what was promised to you. It's a big gun, aiming at our own feet and we are squeezing the trigger with a smile.
 
The extra costs have nothing to do with VAT or Brexit. It's all to do with the shipping market currently. The price of a 40HC from China is normally around 1700-2000 GBP now you are looking at between £6k -8k.

A) There is extra demand now due to the massive drop of freight during March / April due to COVID. So retailers for example have a 2 month backlog to catch up on so are ordering more then usual.
B) There is a massive container shortage putting prices up worldwide. For example there are 52000 containers just sitting at Felixstowe quay with unused PPE.
C) Some shipping lines are refusing to come the UK now because of the issues at Felixstowe and Southampton ports. The turnaround at ports should be a day at most. Now some are being held at Zeebrugge for 5 days as there are no available berths available in the UK plus as the ports have no facilities to offload due to the shortage of staff, space and equipment. Therefore shipping lines are preferring to go Asia and America where the turnaround is half the time so more profit for them.
D) Due to the increase demand on haulage and the extra waiting time the drivers are facing waiting for their containers to be offloaded, haulage prices are going up massively.


It's NOTHING to do with VAT. It's NOTHING tondo with Brexit. Stop the lies.
 
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Amplus said:
The extra costs have nothing to do with VAT or Brexit. It's all to do with the shipping market currently. The price of a 40HC from China is normally around 1700-2000 GBP now you are looking at between £6k -8k.

A) There is extra demand now due to the massive drop of freight during March / April due to COVID. So retailers for example have a 2 month backlog to catch up on so are ordering more then usual.
B) There is a massive container shortage putting prices up worldwide. For example there are 52000 containers just sitting at Felixstowe quay with unused PPE.
C) Some shipping lines are refusing to come the UK now because of the issues at Felixstowe and Southampton ports. The turnaround at ports should be a day at most. Now some are being held at Zeebrugge for 5 days as there are no available berths available in the UK plus as the ports have no facilities to offload due to the shortage of staff, space and equipment. Therefore shipping lines are preferring to go Asia and America where the turnaround is half the time so more profit for them.
D) Due to the increase demand on haulage and the extra waiting time the drivers are facing waiting for their containers to be offloaded, haulage prices are going up massively.


It's NOTHING to do with VAT. It's NOTHING tondo with Brexit. Stop the lies.
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So you read the link from the beginning of the thread?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...s-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021
 
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