Didn't dress smart enough for House of Fraiser?

dmpoole said:
This might be very hard to believe but I've never used a card in a shop and I haven't got a clue what my PIN number is.
I do use it on the net though.
Whenever I buy items with loads of cash I'm always in the shop about one minute after its opened so the chances of muggers getting me is non existent because they're all in bed.

Do you withdraw all the cash you'll need for a large purchase from a bank/cashpoint beforehand? Cashpoints only allow a few £100/day so do you take it out over a week and keep it under your mattress :)

I hardly ever carry any cash now. Card used for everything, even vending machines and canteen at work is cashless. A right pain when I need change for a parking meter and all the beggars near where I shop must thing I'm a stingy git.
 
Mujja said:
Do you withdraw all the cash you'll need for a large purchase from a bank/cashpoint beforehand? Cashpoints only allow a few £100/day so do you take it out over a week and keep it under your mattress :)

I hoard cash.
I get paid cash for lots of stuff and yes I do pay tax on it.
 
happens to me all the time 'cause of age more than what i wear, but even when im wearing my armani suits etc it still happens, sometimes its just a bad day for them / they are ageist ******
 
dmpoole said:
This might be very hard to believe but I've never used a card in a shop and I haven't got a clue what my PIN number is.
I do use it on the net though.
Whenever I buy items with loads of cash I'm always in the shop about one minute after its opened so the chances of muggers getting me is non existent because they're all in bed.


You know what, in my case, i never have any cash.
Most i ever have is a couple of coins in my pocket for the odd bottle of coke.
 
The thought of some House of Fraser sales assistant peeking down their nose on you is quite entertaining. I mean, HoF is hardly top tier retail, is it? If it happened in Selfridges' or Harrods, it would be a little less strange (although ironically, in my experience most of the staff there are at least professional enough to look down on you inside their head, not show it so outwardly... bloody amateurs!)
 
To be honest i would rather serve someone dressed like yourself than someone in a suit. I work at John Lewis and we have to treat all customers equal but i know how stuck up well dressed people are, and how they like to talk down to you.

Being a hoody wearing person myself i would never discriminate against one of my kind!
 
Neon said:
its not the point i conceal them all, my mobile phone is tied to my body... and my mp3 player cables are hidden under clothing.

i DONT flash a wad of money in a shop.
What you said was:
Neon said:
thats foolish, people who carry a lot of money around in notes, are either brain dead or are asking for trouble.
So now it's alright to carry it around, but not alright to flash it? Well, I thought that would just be common sense, just like not flashing your expensive mobile phone when you're walking through a town centre at 2am is common sense. Even then though, 'flashing' money in a shop isn't really likely to make you a target for muggers, because

(i) If you're getting the money out in the first place you're probably about to spend it,
(ii) Most people can't see you getting it out, and
(iii) If the shop is open then it probably means that it's the middle of the day, and how many muggers would want to attack a well-built middle-aged man in the middle of the day?
 
suicidle_tramp said:
Where at? I swear I haven't been into a single shop which accepts cards that doesn't accept electron.
The Disney Store doesn't accept Electron - or at least, it didn't when I worked there. When I was at school my mates with Electron cards would always be moaning that they weren't accepted too. I don't know if the situation has changed recently, but when I got my first debit card I made sure that I got a Switch, because I knew about all of the problems people had with Electron.
 
slothmeister said:
To be honest i would rather serve someone dressed like yourself than someone in a suit. I work at John Lewis and we have to treat all customers equal but i know how stuck up well dressed people are, and how they like to talk down to you.
All well-dressed people are stuck up? No, try again. I've worked in retail, and I took a lot more abuse and rudeness from people in trackies and jeans than I ever did from people in suits. You sound like a bitter little kid with a problem with authority, to be quite honest.
 
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Firstly, it wouldn't matter how Harrods treat their customers, as you probably would not have got through the doors dressed as you were.

Secondly, I love it when staff are snooty with me, I like to wind them up even more. I was with a friend and we were looking at digital cameras. As the assistant was being an ****, we got him explaining the camera in great detail for about half an hour, when my friend said, "But you haven't told us where the film goes." The assistants face was a picture.

IMHO John Lewis seem best for equality in the unwashed amongst us. They seem to treat everyone as a valued customer. At least that's what I have found in the ones I have been into.
 
yermum said:
Firstly, it wouldn't matter how Harrods treat their customers, as you probably would not have got through the doors dressed as you were.
Really? I went into Harrods when I'd just got off the train back into England from a six week backpacking trip 'round Europe, looking pretty damn nasty and probably not smelling too great either. Don't let that detract from your rant, though. ;)

I do want to go there when I'm older and richer, just so that I can buy the bottle of £3,000 port they have and drink it from a brown paper bag - I think that may just be the rebellious teenager inside me speaking, though.
 
Arcade Fire said:
All well-dressed people are stuck up? No, try again. I've worked in retail, and I took a lot more abuse and rudeness from people in trackies and jeans than I ever did from people in suits. You sound like a bitter little kid with a problem with authority, to be quite honest.

Now come on there was no need for that! I didn't mean to say that every single person that comes in smartly dressed is stuck up, i meant to say that the majority of the rudeness that i have been on the recieving end of has come from those older than myself and with smarter dress sense than me, who like to think that just because i work 'serving' them that i am a lesser person than they are.
 
You're right, perhaps there was no need for it. But I have to disagree with you strongly - as I said, I've mainly had problems with people dressed casually and I found that people wearing suits were generally more polite. Obviously there are annoying little scrotes (from both camps!) who like to look down their nose at you, but that's to be expected. My main experience with working in retail was that most people treated me as an equal, or even valued my knowledge - in fact, some people seem embarassed to even admit that I'm an employee whose job it is to serve them, and wanted to treat me more like a mate.

I have four years experience of working in close contact with customers (all retail or service jobs, nothing glamourous ;)) and if pushed I'd have to say that the worst customers tended to be working class women who thought that I, or the company, owed them more than they were due. Like I said, you get annoying customers from all walks of life - but a more than significant proportion were from that particular demographic.
 
dmpoole said:
I've lost count of the amount of times I've been treated like scum in a shop because I'm wearing shorts and a rock band t-shirt or something.
I always deal in cash and I've never used a card in a shop, so when I'm treated like poo I'll get my wad out and tell them I'm taking my business elsewhere.

Hehehe, you would have gotten tip top service from me :) Any time someone came in with a band shirt on I'd strike up a conversation with them and talk about said band or other bands from the same genre. Had some great chats with a guy in a Megadeth shirt ;)

slothmeister said:
Now come on there was no need for that! I didn't mean to say that every single person that comes in smartly dressed is stuck up, i meant to say that the majority of the rudeness that i have been on the recieving end of has come from those older than myself and with smarter dress sense than me, who like to think that just because i work 'serving' them that i am a lesser person than they are.

I have to agree with slothmeister here. I worked in retail for four months over the Christmas period, and the vast majority of attitude I got was from people who were obviously rich or upper middle class. I'd say 90% of the customers I dealt with were really friendly if you chatted to them and were polite, but I found that a lot of people who came in snappily dressed were far more likely to ignore any attempts at conversation than working class or average joe customers.

The worst I had was this snotty middle aged woman who was there buying a load of preowned games for her kid (she was obviously well off from her attire and the way she talked about money). She refused to buy stuff for the kid whose birthday it was and then started mouthing off when one of the preowned discs she was buying was missing (we looked for 15 minutes but it was either misfiled or not present when shipped from head office). She then started saying that because we couldn't find the game we had to give her a PS2 steering wheel for free. When I said I'm afraid we couldn't do this she asked to speak to the manager. I dutifully went back and spoke to our manager, who was not best pleased, he came out, was sugar and sweetness until she started getting sarky. He then took none of it and said there was nothing we could do and she could go to another store if she wanted to. She shut up and paid, but once the manager left she kept complaining about it "Not being good enough" under her breath.

I also found that richer customerstended to have an attitude of it was their right for everything to be in stock for them alone, and if it wasn't it was our fault. For example when telling someone we didn't have any PSPs in stock (during the shortage) I was told "Well that's pretty stupid of you". Also if there was any slight hold up, the majority of complaining came from those with a wallet with 3+ credit cards in it.

On the flip side, I was absolutely bricking it when I couldn't find a game for an absolutely huge biker guy and his mate (who could quite probably compete in the UFC). After looking for ages it wasn't findable, but after explaining the situation he was totally understanding despite the fact it had already been rung through the till and had to be refunded.

Obviously the experiences you remember most are the customers who are either extremely rude or extremely thankful, and these are isolated incidents. Working in shops you see it's entirely down to the person and generalisations can be worthless. I had students in who were complete ******** and chavs who were nice and friendly.

There's no excuse for a shop assistant treating you badly based on anything other than how you treat them, and I couldn't have cared less how you dressed as long as you treated me with a bit of respect. If I were you I would have complained to the management.

The thing I'll probably remember longest though is a group of 13yr old chavs winding up our assistant manager who wouldn't sell them an 18 game. They wanted to fight him outside, but soon decided this was a bad idea when he informed them that he was a black belt in karate and could quite easily kick through the counter and smash their faces in.
 
You are right about the isolated stand out incidents. I've served countless customers and the three that seem to really stand out are as follows.

One day I was walking around the store, placing items back where they belong and as I was doing that I got a sharp nudge in the side, I turn around half expecting it to either be a friend or someone about to get a nudge back in their face. To my surprise it was a middle aged lady. Basically, it turned out she was deaf, she couldn't speak and it was very difficult for me to understand what she wanted. I was there for about 5 minutes trying to guess what she said, making me feel like a right royal asshat. I was right about it being something to do with potatoes though :p Anyway, I remembered I had a pen on me, and she wrote it down on a bit of paper she had. She was annoyed at me for not understanding her, I don't blame her - it must be very frustrating. The reason that stands out is because it made me feel bad :(

Another one that stands out is when I was just leaving the store with a friend at the end of our shift and a women literally grabbed my friend and started demanding he find some crisps which were not on the shelf. My mate pretty much told her where to stick it for being so rude to him and she got really tetchy. I butted in to try and save hassle and said we'd look for it out back, we went out back, grabbed our coats and began walking back to the front door. She saw us all leaving (she knew we'd finished because we'd told her nicely to find someone else still clocked in) and her face was a picture, we just burst out laughing.

This actually also reminds me of one customer who decided they were entitled to go out the back of the store because I didn't find what they wanted within 30 seconds. I literally had to push them back out and tell them if they came back out back I'd have to get them removed from the store.

Anyway, the third and final customer I remember was this old lady, probably 50-60s. I was working alone on a department which I was not familiar with as part of my management training, I was taking stock checks etc and re-filling the shelves amongst fitting security tags etc. This woman came out of no where, politely enough asked if we had a certain value kettle in. I knew that we had them in earlier and the evening before as I remember seeing loads of them. I said I'd go look for her, I grabbed my key and went into the warehouse, I spent a good 5-10 minutes climbing ladders and moving heavy boxes trying to find it for this nice lady. I went back out, as we were obviously out of stock and explained it to her. She decided to kick-off at me, shouting that it's my fault it wasn't there and that it's "Not good enough" that they're not in stock if the price tag is still there. I just explained to her that I was the only one working the department at that time and we did have (past tense) many kettles in stock, we just simply hadn't got around to changing over the label yet. I also told her I was not happy with her talking to me the way she did and told her to get out of her own bum. She went an angry colour of red and demanded to speak to my manager, I said "She's over there, knock yourself out." and she went over and spoke to one of my default department supervisors instead. My supervisor was very apologetic about the item not being in stock and when the women told her about what I'd said to her, she said "That's not like him, that doesn't sound right..."
The women gave up and paid for her shopping. I went straight over to the supervisor and told her everything, she just laughed and said she deserved it while also giving me a friendly reminder that I shouldn't do that when I'm a manager :p

What annoys me the most about the last woman is that I really did try quite hard to find what she wanted, only for her to turn around and shout at me that it's my fault and not good enough. What did she expect off me? A kiss and a cuddle?
 
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Unfortunately, it's a fact of life; rightly or wrongly, people do make decisions based on clothes/appearance etc; it's human nature.

As Sequoia pointed out, smartly dressed does not equal money and ragamuffin does not equal broke but the odds are quite large on both assumptions being correct.

I have to admit that I jump to conclusions when I see someone with their trousers half way down the cheeks of their bum etc ...... I'm sure that some of them are very nice people, but I see them as ......... err..... how can I put this? .......... well, something other than intelligent ;)
 
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Chronos-X said:
Because in normal situations, people just dont *have* large amounts of cash. Obviously there are exceptions, but people these days are generally payed by BACS and large purchases are made electronically. Anything else would stand out, in my eyes.

You don't use cash machines - fantastic. Your stories of your secret agent lifestyle make you so cool.
What the hell? Calm the crap down.

As for in shops...hmm....I always get treated well whether I'm on my own or with scruffy student friends. Then again, I don't go shopping much.....I guess I'll meet the Snotty Assistant one day :D
 
@ Chronos-X, and I'm guessing Sequoia knows this already going by his comments.

If you pay by card in a store, you leave behind a HUGE amount of information, even moreso if you ever do a refund back onto a card. There's a scary amount of info on *every* shop you have ever paid by card in.

Just before I left my last job, they were bringing in a system to monitor card purchases throughout the company with a view to recucing card fraud. There were about 20 of us trained to use the system, we each spent about 2 hours a week "data mining", we probably covered about 10-20% of the information we had.

Some people don't want to leave that kind of data trail behind them, me included. Cash all the way.
 
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