Differences in Pay

[Deleted member 77746]

I vote for name change.

groen > groan

- 'Make a deep inarticulate sound in response to pain or despair.'

 

[TommyV]

If I could earn a packet and do very little for it I would. I don't really care where that leaves me morally.

 

[DJMK4]

I'm quite discusted at the way the company I work for treat employee's in terms of us giving all for them jumping through hoops, and them not even battering an eyelid when I have been asking for my appraisal for pretty much 3 years since I started, I am paid way below the average salary (although it is not as you think, and what annoys me even more is that I turned down a £25k job before I came here though.

On the up side, I work in a data centre, however, we have only just moved in to it, so we need to start getting more business in, we made plenty of money before we moved in to it, however, the building itself, and doing it up, also cost lots.

I won't be taking much more **** though when it comes to my pay. The nail in the head was them taking a weeks overtime off me, so rather than doing 2 weeks overtime (on call) per month, I am now doing 1 week, which was a blow for me as I was on the verge of moving in to rented properly where I guess I could have comfortably have lived.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

It could be related to your grammar

 

[MeEsH BaKkA]

Get a better job, or work harder and justify a raise, maybe starting with not browsing OCUK at work

This.

Stop whining and work hard then you will have a chance at earning decent money.

 

[George Hincapie]

Seems like a lot of people in this thread have very well paying jobs.

You sound surprised. Are we all supposed to be on benefits?

 

[Tyron]

You sound surprised. Are we all supposed to be on benefits?

Not at all, but the impression from this thread is most people are on 25k+ while in the other thread about the boss having cameras the wages seemed lower.

 

[bignev72]

Are you joking? You have gone into a market that is massively overflooded with loads of people who can do your job. It's really not that hard to learn and it's full of people who took jobs within the computer industry because they either didn't know what else to do or it was just the only thing they could do.

Face it, you've gone into a market that doesn't pay well and I don't see why it should to be honest. Options:

1) Try and make an impression to get promotions
2) Be like a lot of people within It and just slack off and accept it.
3) Go back to school


Let me put it another way. You don't know how to drive a lorry and this country would fall apart without lorry drivers, so should they get paid more than you? No, it's a low skill job so the pay is low. In fact, lorry drivers get paid well considering.

Someone doesn't like IT people do they?

 

[jumpy]

Being a 'team player', mucking in and trying to save the company time and money is all very well and good, if you work for a company that values such initiative.

I made much effort when a certain long term drawing office contract began - the way we were doing things just took too long - everything was linear and couldn't adapt to client revisions, drawing standards and all kinds of other minutiae. I stayed late when needed (without OT pay) introduced new software and means of batch plotting.
The management response was apathetic at best, with no inclination to understand the issues and their possible resolution.
In the end I made life easier for myself and a colleague and everyone else could get stuffed.

Needless to say, I didn't even get a 'thanks for the effort' from any of the bosses; they seemed too busy overpricing service contracts to notice the minions doing all of the actual work

Some employers just don't give a ****.

 

[Skidder]

As an economist I have to say I agree with everything the OP has said. Sorry, I mean I disagree with everything the OP has said.

 

[krooton]

To get an internship at goldman sachs you must know some people, so your friends probably went to eton and got some connections or something like that. For us lonely peasants we have to work hard for our salaries.

Poppycock, have you bought shares in tinfoil hats or something?

I went to dinner with 3 GS employees last night (gf's sister, her husband, and their friend).

The husband and friend both work in IT, and earn more than a normal IT role.

The sister went to London South Bank Uni, the husband some uni in New Zealand, and the friend some uni in Scotland, so it's got nothing to do with supposed Eton/Oxford/etc ties.

1st line gets paid peanuts because it's market saturated and not really difficult in the grand scheme of things.

 

[chanjy]

Worrying about what other people get paid is asking for trouble isn't it. Stop being nosy and be happy that you have a job at all! (Lots of academic studies have shown that getting more money doesn't make you happy as your expectations adapt to the new income - Easterlin etc.)

 

[MumboJumbo]

Someone doesn't like IT people do they?

I'm just fed up with people thinking they deserve more than they do. Like these teachers going on strike when they are clueless. The whole private sector has had massive cuts, particularly to pensions, but you touch anything of theirs and they go on strike. Most of them can't teach anyway.

People just want to be spoon fed everything, think they have a right to a big plasma tv and sky tv etc. Face the facts, you don't. If you wanted to earn more you should have used some brains when you were thinking about your future.

 

[s0ck]

Sysadmins get paid nothing because we're 10 a penny. We delude ourselves into thinking we are leet hax0rs when all we do is click buttons

I think I'm a fantastic button clicker, one of the best! Does this mean I am paid uber moola? No, because it is perceived by the masses that anyone can do my job.
This is not true because no one can click those buttons quite like I can.

In the wrong environment, it doesn't matter how good you are or how long and hard you work - you'll get nowhere.

With the wrong attitude, it doesn't matter how good you are or how long and hard you work - you'll get nowhere.

Maybe try and work out which one (or two) of these applies to you and go from there.

I know you said you are perfectly happy but you did mention something about the secretary...

 

[MacRS4]

There are still smart ways to work in IT. When I first started, I was very motivated - but not necessarily in IT. I remember thinking I could do IT, and it was pretty interesting, but how do you make real money? I mean, real money and value comes with sales doesn't it?

So, I chose to go to work for specialised IT Resellers/Consultancies and made sure I kept my skills current and specialised. This worked for me.

To say there's no money in IT isn't right. There's no money in some parts of IT true enough.

The idea that companies see IT as an outright expense also seems to be changing. Certainly in the larger companies I work with/at. They're trying to use IT to gain competitive advantage, and that can only be a positive for the industry as a whole.

Do you mind me asking how old you are Groen?

 

[krooton]

The idea that companies see IT as an outright expense also seems to be changing. Certainly in the larger companies I work with/at. They're trying to use IT to gain competitive advantage, and that can only be a positive for the industry as a whole.

Such endeavours rarely involve 1st line though. Hell, I essentially provide 1st line support for 2 systems (I don't work in IT) because our 1st line guys aren't skilled enough to deal with them, haha.

 

[MacRS4]

That's true enough - 1st/2nd/Helpdesk type stuff is perceived as a necessary evil isn't it?

 

[Disco Boy]

Welcome to being working class. It sounds by your attitude that is is how it's going to be for the rest of your life.

 

[s0ck]

Such endeavours rarely involve 1st line though. Hell, I essentially provide 1st line support for 2 systems (I don't work in IT) because our 1st line guys aren't skilled enough to deal with them, haha.

Probably not a great idea

 

[Firestar_3x]

You have two options, one of which you seem to be doing very well:

1) Moan and prance around like a little girl, protest that all is unfair in the world and somehow you deserve more than you earn.

2) Actually do something about the situation, go out and prove your worth, be this through leaving and becoming a contractor or by putting less energy into thinking why the world is so unfair and instead improving yourself, people will only pay what they need to keep you. If you demand more money and they tell you to walk then clearly you aren’t worth as much as you seem to think.