Differences in Pay

MacRS4 said:
There are still smart ways to work in IT. When I first started, I was very motivated - but not necessarily in IT. I remember thinking I could do IT, and it was pretty interesting, but how do you make real money? I mean, real money and value comes with sales doesn't it?

So, I chose to go to work for specialised IT Resellers/Consultancies and made sure I kept my skills current and specialised. This worked for me.

To say there's no money in IT isn't right. There's no money in some parts of IT true enough.

The idea that companies see IT as an outright expense also seems to be changing. Certainly in the larger companies I work with/at. They're trying to use IT to gain competitive advantage, and that can only be a positive for the industry as a whole.

Do you mind me asking how old you are Groen?
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Well thank you for a reasonable response. I am 28 next week. I am grateful for my job and I am not expecting ridiculous salaries. My point was that these companies that are seriously raking in the money do not appreciate their IT staff as much as I think they should. That is all i was trying to point out. This morning I came across a salaries.xls, while fixing a slow login issue :rolleyes: This is what kicked me off, after seeing all the salaries of all the people that I work with, that day to day, do hardly any work. No doubt they have worked hard to get there and probably spent a few years printing documents and making coffee etc. But I don't have a problem with their salaries or the fact that they make loads of money. I just think that if someone is earning £300k a year and they work in a company where there is only 20 employees, they should pay their IT staff and everyone else on a reasonable salary. I can't even afford to buy new shoes (yea cry me a river) but these guys look at my shoes in disgust, but i feel like saying, hey if i earned what you earn in a year in a month, i promise you, you would see your arrogant face in my shoes reflection.
 
Don't smoke weed, cut down the booze, lose some weight, develop fresh skills and climb the ranks!

You can do it!
 
All this whining about the labour market and general employment conditions from someone who espouses market-libertarian politics...

You really couldn't make it up.
 
groen said:
You guys are hopeless, if i want life coaching ill listen to DR phil, i was hoping to see a load of exploited IT workers join me in moaning. :(
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You work in IT, you are not a sex slave or a child making Nikes in a sweat shop, so give over.

Your views on companies distributing their income are ridiculous. Have you actually looked at the profit margins or cash flow of the companies you are talking about to consider the implications of them unnecessarily splashing cash on generic IT folk?
 
I know someone who went to work for one of the firms on that list several years ago, in IT, in his 20s, with ZERO previous experience, and started on £30k.

I am, therefore, calling you out.
 
I suspect a greater percentage of people nowadays can set up a router/homehub, change a graphics card. What they probably can't do is maintain 500 users + on a commercial scale with redundancy, minimal downtime, 24 hour support.

I suspect a greater percentage of people nowadays can set up a website, but probably don't know the intricacies of IIS and Apache, how to use VS2010, how to write a secure API or stress test a web site.

Hopefully we're scratching the surface before our judgements.

1) It's about your ability to make your company money
2) It's about knowing what to do, or having broad shoulders when the muck hits the fan
3) More money doesn't = happiness
4) If you don't like it, find somewhere you do
 
Like i said this was more of a general moan and not specific to my situation. All i was trying to say is that I think IT sysadmins and system support should be earning more money than it does at the moment, because i think it is under valued.

Basically if you work in X level it job and you earn Y and you are supporting staff members and organization that earn £300 an hour, then you should receive Y. But if you are supporting people that earn £800 per hour. Then you should be receiving more than Y, not necessarily double Y but definitly more. More often than not the people earning £800 per hour are paying more for their IT support, but that is not given to the staff thanks to everyone accepting a specific market rate for a specific level.
 
Most IT workers are not really skilled workers requiring higher level education, post graduate education, or many years of experience. Those IT positions that do have some of these requirements get paid a lot. Basic computers, server and network support is not really any different to shelf stacking, factory line work etc.


What is really underpaid in the UK are engineers and scientists that are highly skilled jobs requiring post graduate education.
 
groen said:
Basically if you work in X level it job and you earn Y and you are supporting staff members and organization that earn £300 an hour, then you should receive Y. But if you are supporting people that earn £800 per hour. Then you should be receiving more than Y, not necessarily double Y but definitly more. More often than not the people earning £800 per hour are paying more for their IT support, but that is not given to the staff thanks to everyone accepting a specific market rate for a specific level.
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Yes and no. I'm with you that people supporting high-earning people should receive more than those that don't, but I'd say that's because I would expect the people doing the supporting to be of a higher class than normal. If I were earning £800/hr I would want IT support that can fix things fast and with no hassle, which most simply do not do. They shouldn't be paid more "just because". Where would you draw the line? Bill Gates's driver should be paid £1,000,000 per annum because Bill couldn't go anywhere without him? :p
 
groen said:
Like i said this was more of a general moan and not specific to my situation. All i was trying to say is that I think IT sysadmins and system support should be earning more money than it does at the moment, because i think it is under valued.

Basically if you work in X level it job and you earn Y and you are supporting staff members and organization that earn £300 an hour, then you should receive Y. But if you are supporting people that earn £800 per hour. Then you should be receiving more than Y, not necessarily double Y but definitly more. More often than not the people earning £800 per hour are paying more for their IT support, but that is not given to the staff thanks to everyone accepting a specific market rate for a specific level.
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Why, your job requirements hasn't necessarily changed. They should only be paid more if the job is more demanding and requires a higher skill level.
 
groen said:
Like i said this was more of a general moan and not specific to my situation. All i was trying to say is that I think IT sysadmins and system support should be earning more money than it does at the moment, because i think it is under valued.

Basically if you work in X level it job and you earn Y and you are supporting staff members and organization that earn £300 an hour, then you should receive Y. But if you are supporting people that earn £800 per hour. Then you should be receiving more than Y, not necessarily double Y but definitly more. More often than not the people earning £800 per hour are paying more for their IT support, but that is not given to the staff thanks to everyone accepting a specific market rate for a specific level.
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So you should be paid more for doing the exact same work as someone else because your working for people who earn more?
 
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