Digg.com - Modern Warfare 2 boycott.

[Nick1881]

Ok, Multiplayer. Team Fortress 2, Counter Strike, Call of Duty (+ United Offensive), Left4Dead. All multiplayer games I have enjoyed more than I did CoD4.

Personally TF2 never appealed to me, CSS I tried many times and never really found it that great, Left4dead bored me after a few hours play.

COD4 MP has had me hooked since release, it's not perfect by any means, I could write a list of complaints about the game but imo it's the best MP FPS that's come out in the last few years.

MW2 was the game I have been waiting for, I would have upgraded my graphics to ensure I could run it as smooth as possible, now I may as well just buy a PS3.

 

[m0r94n]

Good for you.

Why are you in this thread then lol.

Lol coz i wuz guna get da gam but fort id beta nt if dey rnt puten deda srvrs en .

Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer to it.

COD4 MP has had me hooked since release, it's not perfect by any means, I could write a list of complaints about the game but imo it's the best MP FPS that's come out in the last few years.

MW2 was the game I have been waiting for, I would have upgraded my graphics to ensure I could run it as smooth as possible, now I may as well just buy a PS3.

I can see the appeal of it, and after watching some of my friends play I understand why its so addictive. I'd hoped MW2 would be able to draw me in but this news seems to be an indication of a multiplayer game I don't want to be a part of.

 

[Enzo]

Doesnt fill you with much hope when the following was posted in the IW forums last night...................(sorry if this has already been posted in the thread)

fourzerotwo · 12 minutes ago
We haven't forgotton our roots! We just choose to use weed killer on it!


Jaspa · 9 minutes ago
you b******


Mark - 3 minutes ago
That would have been a bad response from anyone, nevermind someone leading up the PR department. You might have just told all PC gamers to **** off and spit in their faces, just so there's no confusion about how you really feel.
Frankly, if I were your boss, I'd fire you for that. Reply 0 Vote up Vote down


gerv · less than 1 minute ago
You sad ****.

 

[McGray]

Was that actually him?

Link to the page....?

 

[pds]

the success of cod4 has made them very arrogant

 

[Kenai]

If all of those people would otherwise have paid say £30 on average for this game, that's lost revenue of more than £3.5m. That matters to anyone, let alone Activision.

Well, I think that's a bit optimistic. Activision don't make £30 every time you buy a game, it's probably more like a fiver at most.

In which case if 100,000 actually didn't buy it who were going to, then they'll lose something more like £500k, nowhere near £3.5 million.

 

[geekyEd]

There has to be a way to hurt them other than a boycott, because lets face it they make 100x more money from the stupid console gamers anyway so as shown above really couldn't give a damn.

Well, I think that's a bit optimistic. Activision don't make £30 every time you buy a game, it's probably more like a fiver at most.

In which case if 100,000 actually didn't buy it who were going to, then they'll lose something more like £500k, nowhere near £3.5 million.

It depends how much they sell the game for to the retailers, not how much that make on it as that would include having to consider development, marketing and general running the business costs.

Ie they may "make" £5 on each game but sell them at £10 each to the retailers, Id hazard a guess that the retailers dont make that much profit on the games, more of a % goes to the developers + producers.

 

[Born_2_Kill_83]

Still going to make a rather nice dent, they'll still feel it thats for sure

 

[rypt]

they make 100x more money from the stupid console gamers anyway so as shown above really couldn't give a damn.

Those figures were for their overall business, not broken down per title though.
The sales for COD4 between 360 and PC are pretty even

 

[geekyEd]

Those figures were for their overall business, not broken down per title though.
The sales for COD4 between 360 and PC are pretty even

If that's true then this really could do some damage. Any sources around to show this?

 

[Kenai]

It depends how much they sell the game for to the retailers, not how much that make on it as that would include having to consider development, marketing and general running the business costs.

Ie they may "make" £5 on each game but sell them at £10 each to the retailers, Id hazard a guess that the retailers dont make that much profit on the games, more of a % goes to the developers + producers.

Either way, the point is Activision aren't going to be losing out on anywhere near £30 a game, unless most retailers are being super generous and selling it at a loss to themselves.

For clarification, i'd suspect that of say the £30 typical price you'd pay, about £5 of that is going directly to Activision/IW, the rest will be distributions costs and retailer markup.

 

[rypt]

If that's true then this really could do some damage. Any sources around to show this?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=15125796&postcount=378

 

[m0r94n]

There has to be a way to hurt them other than a boycott, because lets face it they make 100x more money from the stupid console gamers anyway so as shown above really couldn't give a damn.

I'd imagine the bad press is doing a lot. I've even seem some people go as far to to say EA look good in comparison!

Sales will obviously hurt them, but at the end of the day they'll blame the "childish" pc community. As long as the console market stays intact they will be fine.

 

[rypt]

I'd imagine the bad press is doing a lot. I've even seem some people go as far to to say EA look good in comparison!

Sales will obviously hurt them, but at the end of the day they'll blame the "childish" pc community. As long as the console market stays intact they will be fine.

Thing is though, if you are a Activision shareholder would you be happy that the company is trying it's utmost to NOT be profitable on one of the major platforms for gaming?
Remember, Valve makes pretty decent profits from mostly PC sales only.

 

[geekyEd]

Either way, the point is Activision aren't going to be losing out on anywhere near £30 a game, unless most retailers are being super generous and selling it at a loss to themselves.

For clarification, i'd suspect that of say the £30 typical price you'd pay, about £5 of that is going directly to Activision/IW, the rest will be distributions costs and retailer markup.

Yes of course it wont be £30, but Id hazard a guess that the retailers are not making 600% profit per title as you are guessing. its probably more along the lines of 50% to 100%. Were still speculating here though.

Nice work with the figures rypt

 

[m0r94n]

Thing is though, if you are a Activision shareholder would you be happy that the company is trying it's utmost to NOT be profitable on one of the major platforms for gaming?
Remember, Valve makes pretty decent profits from mostly PC sales only.

Thats an extremely good point. I would however like to think that if the shareholders had any power, they would have ousted Kotick and Bowling a long time ago.

 

[Strife212]

Thats an extremely good point. I would however like to think that if the shareholders had any power, they would have ousted Kotick and Bowling a long time ago.

Why? Shareholders don't care about the games, they care about money, which Kotick is bringing in like mad.

 

[Kenai]

Thing is though, if you are a Activision shareholder would you be happy that the company is trying it's utmost to NOT be profitable on one of the major platforms for gaming?
Remember, Valve makes pretty decent profits from mostly PC sales only.

They're not though are they - remember whilst it may not be to our liking, we are not an average customer. There is every chance such a system will indeed be more popular with the average person who just wants to go online and shoot people for an hour who are roughly the same skill. If the game appeals to such people (Just look at the sales figures for The Sims if you are in any doubt of the number of casual PC gamers around) then it could well be an even bigger financial success than before.

The problem people have isn't that they are just treating the PC badly, it's that they are treating the enthusiast PC community badly. Sadly, this doesn't necessarily mean they will suffer poorer sales overall.

Everything they've done is with the aim of making more money, from console and PC - the sad thing is, making the most amount of money is probably not conducive to pleasing the hardcore PC gaming crowd.

 

[Gimpymoo]

Bobby Kotick is the CEO of Activision, contact him about this decision.
[email protected]

Looks like Bobby doesn't check his email regularly sooo...

Assistants to Robert Kotick
[email protected] by email or (310) 255-2509

Here's some more Activision corp. emails.... let them know how you feel!
Co-Chairman of Activision Blizzard:
[email protected], Please call or email my assistant Mary at 212-486-8770 or at [email protected].

[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected],
[email protected],
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[rypt]

Why? Shareholders don't care about the games, they care about money, which Kotick is bringing in like mad.

There is no real-world proof (right now) that the IW.net model will increase profits on the PC platform - as such it is a major risk adding it to one of the MAJOR titles.
It would have made more sense to trial it on a small title, or to run it in conjunction with dedicated servers.