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[Banzai_Joe]

Apples & oranges. Can't compare the cost of PC and console games as they're licensed differently.

I think you can. End users just want value for money, they don't care about the politics behind it all. If MW2 SP is only 6-8 hours (as has been touted), then do you not think that console owners would feel a little more aggreived if the pay >£10 more for the same amount of gaming than pc users do? (forgetting MP for a moment). I'm a PC only gamer, but my kids have more or less the same games on the xbox360. and the same games are at the very least £10-£15 more expensive. Outrageous.

LOL, so your blatant piracy is their fault?

Absolutely
I did it because i could. They didn't make it very hard not to did they?
I won't debate the boring morality of "nethertheless you still should have paid for it 4 times" yarn.
Anyone that says they would have bought 4 versions of the game when they could get away with buying just 1.......would not be telling the entire truth imho.

And if MW2 becomes available on torrents, then that's where i'll get it, as £34 for 6-8 hours of as yet questionable enjoyment is not something i'm willing cough up for.
If however, it turns out the MP is better than expected and doesn't suffer from lack of dedi servers, i'll gladly go out and buy it, safe in the knowledge that i'll get 100's of hours enjoyment.

Simple as that.

 

[monkeyspank]

But that was their own retarded fault wasn't it?

I bought cod4, installed it on 4 pc's in my house (for the kids) and we could all play online from the one copy.
Cod:WAW, i bought one copy, installed it on all 4 pc's but only one person can go online at a time. and the cd is needed for SP mode.

Neither were anywhere incorporating failsafe protection system. Surely there are better protection systems out there.
They moan about piracy, but don't go to any great lengths to combat it. Sure there will always be someone who can beat their protection, but its up to them to sought it.

So when they do something about it, as you suggest, you all moan as if you've had your first born taken away from you.

This whole thread is a complete joke. You want the game then buy it. If you don't want it then don't buy it. It's the same with anything.

 

[gord]

Besides, doesn't MAG use some sort of progressive loading function...

That and MAG uses proper servers doesnt it? Not the customers connection.

P2P has been a cheap mans way of online gaming. Its no secret, but consolers are quite used to it. Especially as XBL has been built on it with the Halo games setting the precedent.

I don't mind P2P gaming in that environment. But PC gamers are not ready to have their servers taken away. Not to mention the disadvantages, such as lower player count to support the lack of servers.

PC gamers are being tested with this. If MW2 sells on PC (and it will, its MW2, and its pedigree precedes it), it will set a precedent for other developers that PC gamers will roll over and take it. They can then focus development on the consoles and port it to PC for some extra bucks.

It is indeed sad times that we are pretty much in a no win situation.

 

[saint_jw]

I'm a PC only gamer, but my kids have more or less the same games on the xbox360. and the same games are at the very least £10-£15 more expensive. Outrageous.

But I bet your PC cost about £500-£600 more than the 360.

 

[Craig R]

But I bet your PC cost about £500-£600 more than the 360.

But I bet he can use his PC for a lot more things other than gaming.

 

[andshrew]

That and MAG uses proper servers doesnt it? Not the customers connection.

P2P has been a cheap mans way of online gaming. Its no secret, but consolers are quite used to it. Especially as XBL has been built on it with the Halo games setting the precedent.

MAG does use dedicated servers but that wasn't really the point as that comment was in response to someone who claimed low player counts being forced on PC users was a result of consoles being technically unable to cope with large maps and player counts.. which is simply untrue. It's a case of developers not willing to provide dedicated servers, or provide the community with the facility to host their own.

What I do find funny for the 'cheap mans way of online gaming' is the XBL customers are charged monthly for the privilage of hosting lagfest online games on their own connections! (and the willingness of so many people to pay for this). You'd think they could, at the very least, provide dedicated servers if their going to charge you to play online.

 

[Banzai_Joe]

But I bet he can use his PC for a lot more things other than gaming.

Thanks Craig..... beat me to it.

saint_jw .....do i need to expand on what craig said? and my gaming rig cost about £150 more than the 360 !!

 

[saint_jw]

But I bet he can use his PC for a lot more things other than gaming.

Indeed one can use a PC for far more than gaming but to play most modern games one must spend a great deal more to surpass the standard available on a console.

Either way gaming isn't cheap whether you're paying a premium for games on a console sold at a loss or whether you've spent a lot more on your rig and can get the games cheaper.

I was just pointing out the 'console games are more expensive' argument is flawed at best.

 

[Shamikebab]

Do NOT turn this into a frikkin PC vs console discussion, it's immature and been done a thousand times.

 

[Cannaton]

Thanks Craig..... beat me to it.

saint_jw .....do i need to expand on what craig said? and my gaming rig cost about £150 more than the 360 !!

Your rig cost you about £300??

 

[Banzai_Joe]

Your rig cost you about £300?? Or do you mean the gaming parts like, graphics cards etc?

sorry, yes for the gaming parts (which we all know is whats separates any other rig from a gaming rig).
360's haven't always been £150....sadly for me.

but, yeah, enough of the pc v console debate.

Nothing left to see here, move on.

 

[gord]

MAG does use dedicated servers but that wasn't really the point as that comment was in response to someone who claimed low player counts being forced on PC users was a result of consoles being technically unable to cope with large maps and player counts.. which is simply untrue. It's a case of developers not willing to provide dedicated servers, or provide the community with the facility to host their own.

Ah right, well yes. I would have thought thats fairly obvious. Dedicated servers = higher player counts. No dedicated servers = lower player counts. Thats just pretty simple network capacity.

What I do find funny for the 'cheap mans way of online gaming' is the XBL customers are charged monthly for the privilage of hosting lagfest online games on their own connections! (and the willingness of so many people to pay for this). You'd think they could, at the very least, provide dedicated servers if their going to charge you to play online.

It does look insane on the surface. The aspect that afforded XBL the luxury, and the reason they can still charge for their service is that it was the first, and the best. The hype of online console gaming came with XBL and if you have a group of mates on XBL, its worth the price.

Also I agree with Shami, try and focus on console vs pc from a COD perspective.. not the "pc does more/pc costs more" that we've had a billion times.

I just found another MW2 PC pre-order of mine.. cancelled it. Mouse and keyboard just doesn't outweigh what we've lost.

 

[Cannaton]

I agree with your points on XBL gord, they're the only reason i still pay for it - friends. The way you can find your friends and jump straight into a game is worth paying for in my oppinion and I rarely encounter lag (20mb virgin cable line). I was going to get CoD4 on PC but to me there are no benefits now bar slightly prettier graphics, wheras on 360 everyone I know both in life and on places like OcUK are on there.

 

[Tefal]

It's really not a technical limitation of consoles but developer choice (and probably as a result of unwillingness of the developer to provide dedicated servers).

If consoles were unable to support large maps with large numbers of players you wouldn't have games like Resistance 2 (64 players) and M.A.G (256 players).

well both of those are ps3 titles that use dedicated servers iirc.

And as it's prohibitively expensive to get dedi servers for the xbox from MS, and the xbox is their biggest selling platform, they won't go to the hassle of making something they can't use on that platform.

 

[~>Dg<~]

i just hope a lot of people hold out on buying this game cause thats the only chance youll see of getting any dedi support in a future patch.

the stuff needed will already be in the game and a patch wouldnt take long to be made for the game if needed and there sales effected enough.

but..... i feel that a lot will still buy it even though they said they wont just because theres hardly anything to play at the moment.

 

[torN]

a lot of you have lost sight on what this topic is really about! who gives a crap about console vs pc!

your all forgetting that IW has screwed us over...

 

[pumaz]

It's funny really that live on the 360 costs, yet PSN on PS3 is free and offers more via it's use of dedicated servers in some games. That's M$ for ya!

Here's something else that's funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUpZVnceJx4

 

[Craig R]

Indeed one can use a PC for far more than gaming but to play most modern games one must spend a great deal more to surpass the standard available on a console.

Either way gaming isn't cheap whether you're paying a premium for games on a console sold at a loss or whether you've spent a lot more on your rig and can get the games cheaper.

I was just pointing out the 'console games are more expensive' argument is flawed at best.

You can turn a decent non-gaming PC into a gaming machine for about the same price as a console though. You just need to stick a £150 graphics card in.

 

[Cannaton]

a lot of you have lost sight on what this topic is really about! who gives a crap about console vs pc!

your all forgetting that IW has screwed us over...

I think that it is perfectly relevant and on topic. I've played PC games for around ten years, which may not be as much a some people on here. But the last couple of years the platform just seems to have gotten more and more bland, this move by IW obviously shows where their priorities lie - in the console market and so I think it is a very relevant discussion to be having.

While you're right, IW do seem to be screwing the PC Community over, I think it is important to discuss why and not bury our heads in the sand over the issues raised.

 

[waynio]

It's funny really that live on the 360 costs, yet PSN on PS3 is free and offers more via it's use of dedicated servers in some games. That's M$ for ya!

Here's something else that's funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUpZVnceJx4

OMG freaking awesome and so spot on lol, 20 years backwards lol.

The petition was 112628 on the 21st oct when I signed it.

133879 Total Signatures right now, this is only a day later, if this keeps up IW would be really stupid to dismiss the mass annoyance of p2p rather than dedicated servers, it would kill the game and set a terrible trend, I really hope people stick with this boycott unless they keep the system that works fine for MW1 or at least allow community content & dedicated servers which would also in turn have to make IW make outstanding new content if they expect us to pay extra for it, if we give in it will be bad for the shape of pc MP games especially with a highly successful franchise like COD setting the example, I mean going from 50 player crazy wars without lag to 16 with disconnects and lag issues, what the heck are they thinking? do they really think so little of pc gamers?.

I'm not against IW making more money for new IW content providing it is outstanding (something to get excited about like GTA IV DLC new features and such, not just new maps) and they don't hold back on original content meant for the original package like what was done in the sims 3 and try selling what should have come with the game.

And for the record anyone comparing the left 4 dead 2 boycott to this is just plain dumb, the 1st thing I thought when left 4 dead 2 got announced was I wanted it there and then and have been eagerly waiting for its release and still am and I thought the boycott was totally unjustified, this thou with MW2 is completely right and unless IW sort their ideas out I will not bother with the title even if it was £5 nevermind £35.

1 last note, the only way I would jump over to consoles right now would be to add keyboard mouse support and for them to perform and look as good as a pc with quad core cpu @ 3600mhz 4gb ram and at least a gtx285 preferably a hd5870, oh yes and a big fast ssd where you can buy the games online and play them strait off the ssd to kill load times, pads are fine for many games but 3rd person and 1st person shooters mouse and keys are king.