Discussion of currently unaired TV episodes.

Shamikebab said:
Except that isn't allowed either, for good reason.


This rule should not and will not be changed.
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Ah, I thought it was okay for games that had been released in the US, but not yet it the UK. Ignore that part then. [Edit] Oh, and I didn't necessarily mean discussing playing a game that hasn't been released.. more just discussing the content of the game, etc.[/Edit]

By starting this thread I was in no way 'demanding' that we should be allowed to talk about it, and completely understand that it is OcUK's forum and they can have whatever rules they want. I was merely bringing the subject up for discussion.
 
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The problem is that 98% of the people that want the rule changed just want to discuss episodes that they have pirated. It becomes a big issue when you get shows Like Stargate Universe that are shown very close together. If they allowed this then people who were legitimately watching the show in the UK would have to avoid the thread to keep away from the spoilers while the people who (mostly) pirated it would be allowed to discuss it at will.
 
Shamikebab said:
The problem is that 98% of the people that want the rule changed just want to discuss episodes that they have pirated.
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But is that really a problem? Plenty of people pirate stuff, and given the high computer-literacy of a site like OcUK, I'd imagine it's a high proportion on here. At the moment it's a bit like the Victorian attitude to sex - people are just quietly trying to pretend it doesn't happen, even though everyone knows it does.

The reason most people disagree with the rule is that there's a clear distinction between "OMG the new episode of xxxx is awesome!!" and "Here is a torrent link to the new episode of xxxx", and it's one that could be just as easily (if not more so) moderated as the current rules. As an upside, it might even stop the sanctimonious holier-than-thous giving it the rolleyes every time someone dares to mention it. Have a US/"early watch" thread for people who want to get it off their chest ASAP, and a UK thread for everyone else.

That said, I've learnt that the rules are the rules here. We can try and pretend we have an input by discussing this here, but at the end of the day I very much doubt any amount of logical arguments will change anything.
 
How many ongoing TV show threads are there? Three? If that? I hardly think the forum will collapse under the weight of a few more threads.

EDIT: Spoiler tags are always something I've thought would be a good idea. I know you can do to get a blue that will fade into the background, but why not just simplify the BB code to
? Maybe add automatic "WARNING:SPOILER" pre-face to it. Then people can talk about stuff without ruining it for those that haven't seen.

This applies to the forum generally btw. Would save all sorts of "OMG I haven't see that film yet! :mad:" posts.
 
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Even if you guys think that 95% of users on here pirate things, you cannot expect a shop based forum to advocate or allow illegal talk, can you? that would be lunacy on OcUK's part.

Personally, I think OcUK is the best forum that I visit. You don't get many crazy/stupid threads, trolls are dealt with quickly, and spam is kept to a minimum.

The integrity of the shop would be put at stake if illegal talk was allowed, surely you can't expect them to put their own neck on the line, just to keep a minority of pirates happy.
 
bledd. said:
Even if you guys think that 95% of users on here pirate things, you cannot expect a shop based forum to advocate or allow illegal talk, can you? that would be lunacy on OcUK's part.

Personally, I think OcUK is the best forum that I visit. You don't get many crazy/stupid threads, trolls are dealt with quickly, and spam is kept to a minimum.

The integrity of the shop would be put at stake if illegal talk was allowed, surely you can't expect them to put their own neck on the line, just to keep a minority of pirates happy.
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Sorry, but that is complete crap. So you now say that any forum that is part of a company that allows talk of unaired shows has no integrity? Like I said earlier, the movie magazine Empire has a forum and they allow talk of shows that are currently airing in America but not here, as long as you don't say how you watched it and Empire is a much bigger name than ocuk.
 
bledd. said:
Even if you guys think that 95% of users on here pirate things, you cannot expect a shop based forum to advocate or allow illegal talk, can you? that would be lunacy on OcUK's part.

Personally, I think OcUK is the best forum that I visit. You don't get many crazy/stupid threads, trolls are dealt with quickly, and spam is kept to a minimum.

The integrity of the shop would be put at stake if illegal talk was allowed, surely you can't expect them to put their own neck on the line, just to keep a minority of pirates happy.
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I flat out refuse to believe that most users on this forum who watch tv shows actually wait for them to be aired in the UK.
 
Wossi said:
Sorry, but that is complete crap. So you now say that any forum that is part of a company that allows talk of unaired shows has no integrity? Like I said earlier, the movie magazine Empire has a forum and they allow talk of shows that are currently airing in America but not here, as long as you don't say how you watched it and Empire is a much bigger name than ocuk.
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Then go discuss them over there, it's not like OcUK is stopping you from doing that.
 
Bledd has pretty much summed it up.
We cannot allow the discussion of piracy on the forums, and ultimately any thread about watching stuff that isn't out here yet tends to result inevitably in piracy talk, or it is blatantly obvious that most of the people talking about the content have obtained it by less than legal means.

The rule was from memory originally mainly for games as people were taking the mickey ("my aunt/uncle/pet alligator bought it and sent it to me" being one justification that was common, although not very believable when the person talking about it was doing so days before the official release anywhere), but expanded to cover TV/Films when it it started to become more of a problem with them as well.

Ultimately it's because so many people were unable to be sensible about it, and it was causing the moderating team a real headache to try and keep the discussions within the (at the time slightly looser) rules.

With regards to spoiler tags, I doubt people would use them much, which combined with the general desire of the admins to keep the forum software as close to vanilla means that they are unlikely to be implemented and wouldn't have an affect on the rules anyway (I'd love spoiler tags for the Anime/Books threads).
 
As i made a topic regarding spoiler tags to hide spoilers, i would have thought this would help fix the leaking of spoilers.

Regarding watching it in the first place well thats none of ocuk business since its nothing to do with them. Its just telling people whats happened before others see it is the issue. Btw i havent read the thread but still.
 
Wossi said:
It's stupid because this is the only forum that I visit that doesn't allow it.
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That may well be the case, but from my point of view it's understandable.

OcUK supply computer equipment, they don't want to be linked to that computer equipment being used for what is essentially illegal means.

Empire which was mentioned before do not carry such a link, and as such it is probably easier for them to let it slide. Atleast thats how i see it.
 
Wossi said:
Sorry, but that is complete crap. So you now say that any forum that is part of a company that allows talk of unaired shows has no integrity? Like I said earlier, the movie magazine Empire has a forum and they allow talk of shows that are currently airing in America but not here, as long as you don't say how you watched it and Empire is a much bigger name than ocuk.
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The line has to be drawn somewhere. Software/game piracy talk obviously isn't allowed, so why shouldn't videos/music be included too.

Is Empire an American based magazine? (I don't know)

krooton said:
I flat out refuse to believe that most users on this forum who watch tv shows actually wait for them to be aired in the UK.
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That may very well be true, you could also assume there are a large number of software pirates, I very much doubt the each person using Photoshop on this forum have paid for it.

This doesn't mean the forums should allow users to discuss it, does it? It follows the same principle

I'm not arguing with you guys, just giving my take on it.
 
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