Disenfranchisement and I.D. Cards

Jean-F said:
The good reason would be that although I.D. cards were available, but not mandatory, X was unable to vote because he/she couldn’t ba to apply for one.
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how is this a good reason for voter id? The singular reason would be if there were widescale voter fraud, there isnt, its a waste of time and money.
 
Randomface74 said:
Not being able to provide evidence just means you can't provide evidence, it doesn't mean there isn't voter fraud. The truth is we have no idea how much voter fraud there is.

Edit: lol @ Angela Rayner "There were 6 cases of voter fraud at the last election.".
How the f could she know how many total cases of voter fraud there were. She can't.
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In the same way you can't prove a negative?
plasmahal said:
no one with the legal right to vote will be stopped from doing so. There is evidence as stated by the .gov.uk report and the media has reported some of those cases in inner-London were as lot of voter fraud was found.

You don't let a cancer grow so large it's hard to deal with, you sort ASAP. It's very dumb to ignore the issue no matter how small you think it is.
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Can you link to this? tom_nieto linked to a rather sensible bit of information - could you do the same and I'll have a read?
 
chroniclard said:
The wings cant fall off a gentle roller coaster at any minute and plunge you 30,000 feet to earth. :p
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It's not the plane you have to worry about it's the mental state of the pilot.

remember that guy who flew a passenger plane into a mountain on purpose, it's nearly always pilot error in a crash often not their fault but lack of training and familiarity with the aircraft.

there was one instant for example where a pilot let his or someone else's kids play with the stick thinking it was safe because of autopilot, guess what? jerking the stick around disabled autopilot and sent the plane in to an unrecoverable dive.

there's been dozens of crashes because the pilots didn't understand the planes systems
 
arknor said:
It's not the plane you have to worry about it's the mental state of the pilot.

remember that guy who flew a passenger plane into a mountain on purpose, it's nearly always pilot error in a crash often not their fault but lack of training and familiarity with the aircraft.

there was one instant for example where a pilot let his or someone else's kids play with the stick thinking it was safe because of autopilot, guess what? jerking the stick around disabled autopilot and sent the plane in to an unrecoverable dive
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You just added four more vodka shots onto my pre flight vodka regime (whenever we have to fly again, hate it) :cry:
 
chroniclard said:
You just added four more vodka shots onto my pre flight vodka regime (whenever we have to fly again, hate it) :cry:
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when a kid flies your aircraft and you don't understand the systems.
RIP 75 people but atleast he showed his kids how stupid he is and that he actually understand the plane at all
 
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Robert said:
Can you link to this? tom_nieto linked to a rather sensible bit of information - could you do the same and I'll have a read?
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Voter ID - House of Commons Library (parliament.uk)

Current situation Voters casting their vote in polling stations in Great Britain currently do not normally need to present any form of identification before receiving a ballot paper. Voters in Northern Ireland must provide photo ID before receiving a ballot paper. Voter ID requirements were introduced after the 1983 General Elections following concerns about the extent of voter fraud. Since 2003 photographic ID has been required before polling station voters are issued with a ballot paper. There has been no evidence that the ID requirements in Northern Ireland have affected turnout and the allegations of ‘personation’, the crime of pretending to be someone else when you vote, have been eliminated. Since 2014 the Electoral Commission has recommended that photo ID should be required in the rest of the UK. In December 2015 the Commission published a report on options for delivering and costing a voter ID scheme. The scheme was modelled on the existing scheme operating in Northern Ireland. It estimated 92.5% of the electorate who would have one of the forms of photo ID it was recommending. The Commission recommends that any system of voter ID introduced in Great Britain should mirror that in Northern Ireland, where voters without access to approved photo ID can apply for a free photographic electoral ID card from their local council. Previous public attitude research by the Commission in 2013 found that most voters in Northern Ireland, which had individual registration and voter ID requirements before the rest of the UK, considered polling station voting arrangement to be ‘gold standard’, but that some felt that the security of postal and proxy voting could be improved further
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chroniclard said:
how is this a good reason for voter id? The singular reason would be if there were widescale voter fraud, there isnt, its a waste of time and money.
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I didn’t say that it was a good reason for voter I.D., I was replying to your post, which said “If its not mandatory then many people wont get one, so many people will be unable to vote, for no good reason whatsoever.”
 
It's funny how people are for voter ID when they find out it disenfranchises certain folk. When it's a singular 'we need ID' there is outrage about nanny state.
 
Skunkworks said:
"Non-whites are too derpy to get an ID!"

-Super-Duper Anti-Racist
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'You have to have internet, you have to pay an ISP for certain fees / they might not have smart phones, they might not have data' - apparently if you aren't white you can't afford internet.

'How if you're a convicted felon, you're not allowed to vote and everything .... thats a huge population of the African Americans'.
 
PlacidCasual said:
Aren’t people conflating voter ID and ID cards here. Voter ID is proving who you are to vote and the proposed legislation requires councils to provide ID for free if required. ID cards are a National system where everyone has to have an ID card and no doubt with ratchetting legislation will be require to carry it. They’re not the same thing. Voter ID might be a sledgehammer to crack a nut but it’s not national ID cards.
Personally I see postal votes as a much bigger problem than voter ID and that’s where I’d make changes.
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You could well be right there Placid, if indeed the proposal IS that councils provide a free I.D. for voting purposes, then that’s a good idea I think, how could anyone worry about that?
However, I would have no objections myself if National I.D. cards were introduced, and it was mandatory to carry them at all times, it would seem that the cognoscenti envisage a situation here that’s akin to old war films, where Gestapo agents constantly stopped ostensibly law abiding people and snarled, “Your papers, NOW!”
 
niko said:
Mr pickles isn't exactly non biased or even reliable. Not really anything but a mp pushing his own agenda, not a good bit of supporting evidence
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was sanctioned by the then PM, are you seriously suggesting this sort of thing doesn't happen? :eek:
 
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