Disenfranchisement and I.D. Cards

That’s a good one, straight out of the John McDonnell playbook.
This whole subject seems to rile up the 'left' but I really don't see why, I'd have thought the left would like a bit more government intervention in people's lives! :p

I get the feeling you're trying to label me as a leftie socialist. I'm not.

I just don't agree with this poorly thought out idea. It sucked in the 00s when the leftie Blair government tried to foist it on us, it sucks now.
 
I get the feeling you're trying to label me as a leftie socialist. I'm not.

I just don't agree with this poorly thought out idea. It sucked in the 00s when the leftie Blair government tried to foist it on us, it sucks now.

Okay Magic, I’ll accept that you’re not a leftie Socialist, but with the best will in the world, sentences like “using authoritarian tools of the state to oppress the poor” do rather point to the supposition that you lean that way.
 
To paraphrase some posters in this thread, "Labour voters are too dumb and poor to apply and pay for an ID card that will allow them to continue to vote". Oh come on.

More checks on the integrity of our democracy is a good thing.
 
I can't drive for medical conditions, but kept an expired provisional license that I got before that for I.D only.

Technically I am breaking the law by having it and was meant to 'surrender it' when I got whichever diagnostics.

Not only do I not travel, passports also require someone who has personally known you at least two years to sign, family members / relatives are excluded and actually GPs are too, and I haven't known anyone for 2+ years in a long time.

Most places ignore the expiration date on my provisional, places that dont are impossible for me to prove myself. I was able to get Barclays to accept my benefits letters and birth certificate for opening my accounts and getting my 50% mortgage, but I can't sign up to NHS app. The photo on my expired license doesn't even look anything like me now.

Nowhere serious accepts any of the photo I.D cards you can buy online, and my free bus pass doesn't work either even though its issued by the council. I hate all the lunatics that have prevented me from being able to get a national ID card. Most employers also require passport or driver's license.

I had a bit of a rant with the DVLA on the phone over all this, and they basically say that the primary use for a driving license is for driving, not for I.D, but literally everywhere wants one for I.D. You could apply the same logic to passports, the primary use is travel not I.D.
 
When I got my first opportunity to vote I did find it incredible I could just turn up and say I am who I say I am and vote. Considering this controls who gets power and that people will do anything to get power. I'm sure we all like to believe that everyone plays by the rules and we live in some honorable utopia but we don't, people lie and cheat to get ahead all the time. Politicians/Parties with the money they have behind them, do you really think they're not abusing this? If you don't I think you're incredibly naïve. The fact some people argue against ID to vote baffles my mind.
 
My wife doesn't have any photo ID. She's terrified of flying, so has no need of a passport and cannot drive, so has no need of a driving license.

The fact that passports and driving licenses are not particularly cheap means that if you don't NEED one, why would you pay for one "just because".
 
I do agree that for those who don't drive or travel abroad, an alternative ID that is purely used as ID should be made widely available and state sponsored. And for those on a lot of benefits who can't afford them, they should be allowed to get them for free.
 
I do agree that for those who don't drive or travel abroad, an alternative ID that is purely used as ID should be made widely available and state sponsored. And for those on a lot of benefits who can't afford them, they should be allowed to get them for free.

I've been trying to get as such for at least 5 years and can't.

Gonna pull out my disability card next time I get I.D blocked and sue the whole world for £10 million.
 
It's the same argument US Democrats push, that black people don't have and are incapable of getting ID.


Doesn't sound racist at all.

Oh wow lol, one girl saying it's racist then a moment later saying black people are too dumb to go online, oh wow :cry::cry::cry:
 
something needs to be done about the huge amounts of voter fraud in certain parts of the country, not saying this is the answer but it needs dealing with

Internet voting doesnt happen because of claims it is too easy for fraud, yet we have people turning up to vote at booths without any photo ID.
 
Don't see the issue tbh... I thought that the idea of a national ID card previously was a bit silly (and I don't think it should be compulsory to have to carry one as per in some European countries) but it would seem to have some utility now - vaccination status (perhaps via a QR code linked to your NHS number or something?), proving eligibility to vote etc... might as well combine it with the existing driving license too - record your eligibility to drive on the ID.

People with visas entitling them to work, right to remain etc.. could have a version of it too. Could be a requirement for employers/landlords etc.. to check.
 
Have to admit when I first voted I was surprised that I didn't need proof of ID but then there is very little evidence of voter fraud so its not really a major issue that needs fixing.

The bigger issue in voting is how people are coerced to vote the same way as the head of the family / parents / husband etc. That happens a lot but I don't know how you could stop it, particularly with postal votes.
 
Internet voting doesnt happen because of claims it is too easy for fraud, yet we have people turning up to vote at booths without any photo ID.

Maybe I’ve missed something that’s glaringly obvious, but whenever I’ve voted, the polling clerk has sought my name in the electoral roll, whether I had my polling card or not, and presumably made an entry that Jean-François Genou has voted.
If someone else turned up and said, I’m here to vote, my name is Jean-François Genou, I always assumed that the clerk would note that Jean-François Genou had already voted.

If its not mandatory then many people wont get one, so many people will be unable to vote, for no good reason whatsoever.

The good reason would be that although I.D. cards were available, but not mandatory, X was unable to vote because he/she couldn’t ba to apply for one.
 
The UK isn't France. We don't means test the ability to vote.

They're dressing this up as a way to stop election fraud. There's 6 cases on the books. Six. Would those six cases have changed the outcome of an election? No.

It's voter suppression, Republican style. It's distasteful, expensive and unnecessary.
Yet many on here lap this blatant authoritarianism up because it's their 'team' doing it. The line keeps being redrawn along a path to full blown authoritarianism.
 
Have to admit when I first voted I was surprised that I didn't need proof of ID but then there is very little evidence of voter fraud so its not really a major issue that needs fixing.

The bigger issue in voting is how people are coerced to vote the same way as the head of the family / parents / husband etc. That happens a lot but I don't know how you could stop it, particularly with postal votes.

While I’m not naïve enough to disbelieve that some overbearing family heads might attempt to strong arm their family members to vote in the way that they demand, I can just imagine my wife’s reaction if I tried it.
Never mind the spare room, if I even condescendingly suggested that she think carefully before voting, I think that I’d be consigned to another planet!
 
Aren’t people conflating voter ID and ID cards here. Voter ID is proving who you are to vote and the proposed legislation requires councils to provide ID for free if required. ID cards are a National system where everyone has to have an ID card and no doubt with ratchetting legislation will be require to carry it. They’re not the same thing. Voter ID might be a sledgehammer to crack a nut but it’s not national ID cards.
Personally I see postal votes as a much bigger problem than voter ID and that’s where I’d make changes.
 
My wife doesn't have any photo ID. She's terrified of flying, so has no need of a passport and cannot drive, so has no need of a driving license.

The fact that passports and driving licenses are not particularly cheap means that if you don't NEED one, why would you pay for one "just because".
yea if you never had photo ID before it can also be hard finding someone willing to do a counter signature as well.
National ID card would almost be a positive for the poor imo since it can be hard to open a bank account without photo ID, lloyds wanted me to take my passport down to a branch so they could copy it.
seems halifax verified me online though through the voting register or whatever.

for the record I have a passport it runs out soon, I don't even know if I would even bother to renew it for "ID" purposes if I didn't have to fly

why is she terrified of flying, it's like being on a gentle roller coaster with a few bumps, you can completely forget your even in the air.

I'm terrified of heights, I can get that sick to your stomach feeling from videos really easily, but flying it's not the same
 
I don't see a problem with people having photo ID, as long as its free for those who don't currently have a driving licence photo card or passport.

Though I wonder if some of this isn't just a money earner later on.

On my photo driving licence I have to pay to update it every 10 years, even though the license itself hasnt expired. Passports have to be renewed every 10 years too.
 
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