Disenfranchisement and I.D. Cards

It's such condescending nonsense to say that poor people can't work out how to get ID cards. The cost problem is real, but hey, how about people on a certain level of benefits get free ID cards? Solved.

There's literally no reason not to have your ID checked when going to vote, it's just so obvious a security measure.

**** making me carry one at all times however.
 
I don't mind it to vote, I would object to it being compulsory to carry ID though

Same here If the government want to hand out free ID cards that can be used not only when voting, but for other things like deliveries and proving age in shops then I don't see a problem. Making it compulsory to carry though, well that's where the line is drawn for me.
 
https://twitter.com/AngelaRayner/status/1392219370852659200

I know it's a Labour source, but it's a good quote. It seems like a policy designed to prevent poorer people from voting; those who don't vote Conservative (ergo, those who don't matter). If we had wide spread fraud then fair enough.

Ahem...

Tories won more working class votes than Labour amid stark generation gap at general election, poll suggests
Boris Johnson's party out-polled Labour by double-digit figures among both manual workers and households with incomes below £20,000
(From 2019 but recently events suggest this wasn't a one off)

Quelle surprise another out of touch Keir Starmer fan....

Labour are increasingly the party of insufferable, patronising middle class/ income people.
 
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It was quite funny on Election Day the other week.

my friend and his partner had to isolate as they woke up on the day with covid symptoms. They arranged for me to be their emergency proxy.
He whatsapped me a screenshot of an email saying I had been confirmed as the emergency proxy, to go to their polling station and advise the staff. The email said the staff would phone the returning officer on their dedicated number and they’d check my photo ID. I did this and no one knew what to do. Was passed from person to person before being sent to the desk for his address.
Once there, I again explained I was an emergency proxy for two people and confirmed their name. I was then given two ballot papers. One of the two men at the desk asked the other what would happen if the two people I was a proxy for came in, he replied “they’d just be told they had already voted”.

No one checked, beyond a cursory glance of the screenshot of an email, that I was an official proxy. No one checked my ID. It was so mild blowingly lax that I believe electoral fraud would be incredibly easy to pull off, especially in marginal seat, if you could find the willing participants.

Whilst this was one polling station it seems that they are incapable of following the process already, so I imagine trying to implement ID checking will cripple the system, lead to huge waiting times, confusion, and will disenfranchise people. It’s trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist. We should be making it easier to vote, not harder. Whilst ensuring the processes that are in place now are followed.
 
Wait - never mind. Not relevant for UK wide discussion.

Again I'd disagree.

Who can register

You must be aged 16 or over (or 14 or over in Scotland and Wales).

You must also be one of the following:

  • a British citizen
  • an Irish or EU citizen living in the UK
  • a Commonwealth citizen who has permission to enter or stay in the UK, or who does not need permission
  • a citizen of another country living in Scotland or Wales who has permission to enter or stay in the UK, or who does not need permission
 
Again I'd disagree.

I removed my post as it was relating to Scottish elections where EU citizens can vote in elections.

I may have picked MagicBoy up wrong but I thought he was saying you don’t need UK citizenship to vote. Which you don’t. Commonwealth citizenship (or even citizenship of some countries who have left the commonwealth) can vote in general elections. Plus, Irish citizens can vote in a general election.
 
I see ignored posts. Can only be Plas as there's no-one else on my ignore list. He'll work it out some day instead of posting nonsense that won't get read!
 
I see ignored posts. Can only be Plas as there's no-one else on my ignore list. He'll work it out some day instead of posting nonsense that won't get read!

lol, same.

I see very little benefit in forcing ID cards and lots of money wasted on Tory cronies who will probably end up pocketing the cash for the scheme.
 
I wouldn't say no to a free driving license or passport either. I'm more likely to grow an extra arm than either of those two things happening.

Well they want people to have ID cards but the separation between rich and poor is visible. I would say free ID cards to households claiming any sort of benefit. If people want an ID card but a small cost on it if the household is working. It won't cost much for them to print an ID card and they can get it back through some means over time.

I have my passport but I got that back in 2014.
 
I have an ID card (French citizen) and it's normal over there to have one. Not sure why you wouldn't want one? It makes everything a lot easier for things since they're now smart cards as well. It's a good alternative to a passport.
 
The UK isn't France. We don't means test the ability to vote.

They're dressing this up as a way to stop election fraud. There's 6 cases on the books. Six. Would those six cases have changed the outcome of an election? No.

It's voter suppression, Republican style. It's distasteful, expensive and unnecessary.
 
The UK isn't France. We don't means test the ability to vote.

They're dressing this up as a way to stop election fraud. There's 6 cases on the books. Six. Would those six cases have changed the outcome of an election? No.

It's voter suppression, Republican style. It's distasteful, expensive and unnecessary.

They caught 6 people, with a system as open as it is no-one actually knows what level of fraud there is, with something as important as voting why wouldn't you want some level of security?

How is it voter suppression? Why is this in any way linked to right wing politics?

This whole subject seems to rile up the 'left' but I really don't see why, I'd have thought the left would like a bit more government intervention in people's lives! :p
 
I don't mind it to vote, I would object to it being compulsory to carry ID though

I called a young French relative about this hoo-haa today, I asked if Cartes d’Identité are free in France, (they are), I mentioned the fact that some Brits would object to them if they were compulsory, he answered, “Objet? Pourquoi?, de-quoi ont-ils peur?”, (Object?, Why?, what are they worried about?)

Seriously how can anyone say that ID to vote is a problem? It's standard in lots of countries, and that stupid excuse about mostly poor people not having ID is irrelevant crap. They will have plenty of time and warning to get one, and if they still can't be bothered that's their own fault.

You’ll get nowhere here with your damned logic.

They don't. It's using authoritarian tools of the state to oppress the poor.

That’s a good one, straight out of the John McDonnell playbook.
You’re wasted here, you could be a leader writer for Pravda.

or just give everyone free ID cards full stop! I wouldn’t say no to a free ID card.

Wouldn’t we all, but would you object to carrying it at all times? It wouldn’t bother me, but that’s me.
 
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