Disgusting display of Racism

[MichaelAwkward]

See this is naive, you're conflating something based on need with the topic of this thread which concerns something based on an arbitrary characteristic - race/ethnicity.



White and black university candidates come from all backgrounds, the race of a given individual shouldn't be relevant when it comes to awarding a place or awarding a scholarship.

If you read the details of the scholarship, it isn't just decided on race:

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/stormzy-scholarship

You have to also be in receipt of full financial assistance from Student Finance and household income and other socio-economic data suggesting being from a disadvantaged background is ranked and taken into account by the selection panel.

 

[200sols]

If you read the details of the scholarship, it isn't just decided on race:

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/stormzy-scholarship

You have to also be in receipt of full financial assistance from Student Finance and household income and other socio-economic data suggesting being from a disadvantaged background is ranked and taken into account by the selection panel.

You have to be black. Stop trying to obfuscate the point.

 

[MichaelAwkward]

You have to be black. Stop trying to obfuscate the point.

Because black people are already disadvantaged to a greater extent than white people. Stop being a racist.

 

[dlockers]

Scholarships are meant to attract and appeal to kids you silly sausages. It is something to aspire to obtaining, not 'just' a perk for folk already there

 

[Hades]

If you read the details of the scholarship, it isn't just decided on race:

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/stormzy-scholarship

You have to also be in receipt of full financial assistance from Student Finance and household income and other socio-economic data suggesting being from a disadvantaged background is ranked and taken into account by the selection panel.

It also clearly states you MUST be black or mixed race black to qualify. That is racism.

 

[Surveyor]

Perhaps, though not necessarily - suppose for example white students were more likely to take up a trade and less likely to take up a university place then would you still hold that assumption? It seems a bit simplistic.

@The Running Man's statistics are quite simplistic.

 

[200sols]

Because black people are already disadvantaged to a greater extent than white people. Stop being a racist.

You are literally supporting racist policies yet have a gall to claim that

 

[MichaelAwkward]

It also clearly states you MUST be black or mixed race black to qualify. That is racism.

In your topsy turvy world where white people have no greater access to opportunities and funding than people of other races already, sure.

 

[The Running Man]

I thought 'BAME' was a racist term these days?

The article proves the point I was making earlier, that companies are encouraged to help ethnic minority people by giving them money specifically to target them.

Why do they need to be told to directly spend money in that way? Why aren't they doing it already?

Whatever happened to treating any kid no matter the colour? Why does race need to be brought in to what the charity does? Is Barnardos turning down black kids and telling people they need more money?

Its not just private companies, councils are doing it too.

One of those links was Brighton and Hove Council.

 

[Hades]

In your topsy turvy world where white people have no greater access to opportunities and funding than people of other races already, sure.

What opportunities and funding do white people have access to because of the colour of their skin please?

I would say that is racism too.

 

[MichaelAwkward]

What opportunities and funding do white people have access to because of the colour of their skin please?

Being half as likely to be in poverty in the first place according to The Running Man's figures, for a start.

 

[robfosters]

Because black people are already disadvantaged to a greater extent than white people. Stop being a racist.

You’re the biggest racist on here pal

 

[MichaelAwkward]

You’re the biggest racist on here pal

I mean this forum does have a reputation for being home to a number of racists (plenty of whom are quite active in this thread funnily enough), so that wouldn't be surprising, however I'm not sure how supporting a successful black person being able to do as they wish with their own money to help other black people in a majority white country where black people still face systemic issues around race and suffer under higher rates of poverty and earn less on average with less access to the opportunities that white people have, could be construed as racist.

 

[dowie]

If you read the details of the scholarship, it isn't just decided on race:

That's not really relevant as no one is objecting to that aspect but rather the race aspect is the objectionable part.

@The Running Man's statistics are quite simplistic.

OK so address my questions then, you replied only with a question to me and which I've answered along with your follow-up question.

Because black people are already disadvantaged to a greater extent than white people. Stop being a racist.

How is he being racist here? You're making no sense at all. You claimed they're disadvantaged because they're black yet you can't seem to substantiate that when asked.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Ok how do I get me some o dat £2k BAME grant???

Moar GIBS!

 

[Surveyor]

OK so address my questions then, you replied only with a question to me and which I've answered along with your follow-up question.

Perhaps, though not necessarily - suppose for example white students were more likely to take up a trade and less likely to take up a university place then would you still hold that assumption? It seems a bit simplistic.

We could suppose for example white black students were more likely to take up a trade and less likely to take up a university place but that's all it it is, a supposition.

Grants and bursaries and scholarships are available to low income students in general, you perhaps need to take into account what portion of those groups actually attend university.

If you have those satatistics we can see what they show.

None of this seems relevant though to whether or not something should be awarded based on race!

If the current system isn't awarding a fair proportion of scholarships to black/mixed race students then providing scholarships only for black/mixed race students is a means of addressing that inequality.

 

[dowie]

We could suppose for example white black students were more likely to take up a trade and less likely to take up a university place but that's all it it is, a supposition.

If you have those satatistics we can see what they show.

Why do you need them? Supposing they show X, then what? You can still make the argument.

If the current system isn't awarding a fair proportion of scholarships to black/mixed race students then providing scholarships only for black/mixed race students is a means of addressing that inequality.

How are you determining what is fair here?


The questions you didn't answer were in this post below btw... not the question that didn't need answering which you quoted above!

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/35000740/

 

[Hades]

Being half as likely to be in poverty in the first place according to The Running Man's figures, for a start.

That deliberately didn't answer my question. Are you in favour of policies which discriminate based on race?

 

[dlockers]

Still lots of confusion about the purpose of a scholarship

 

[Tefal]

Itt bunch of people whinging that people spend their money how they want?

 

[The Running Man]

Itt bunch of people whinging that people spend their money how they want?

It would be fine if people of all races were able to do this, or simply non at all.

That funds would be available to every race depending on their socio economic background so as not to descrimubareon race being the ideal.