Disgusting display of Racism

*re-animating*

These Yorkshire cricket racism allegations - we still haven't seen the damn report ?
At the moment this seems like a one-sided debate with no right for defence, cries of institutional racism (whatever that means),
it's like the salem witch trials.
 
silvagti said:
I noticed a report on the news yesterday saying that the FA were launching an Asian footballers initiative to try and increase representation of Asian players in the game. The media was celebrating it as increasing diversity in the game.

However, to me something just seems fundamentally wrong about creating initiatives aimed at encouraging people of specific ethnicities, rather than everyone, to join in with sports? I can't help but feel it's actually divisive rather than inclusive if you're actively focusing on and segregating people by their ethnicity.

At what point does "positive discrimination" actually become racism if you're offering preferential treatment and additional support to certain ethnic groups but not others?
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I must admit I don't understand this at all.

We're not in Asia. Why does it matter if Asians are under-represented in football? So long as there are no barriers preventing them from joining a club or whatever, then why feel the need to push more Asians into football? If they want to they can. If they don't they don't have to. No pressure, no barriers, just a sport that is open to all, regardless.

Question: Does South Korea have a program to encourage non-Koreans to get into Korean football? Or K-Pop? Or anything? Why would they, it's bizarre.

If there are no barriers to entry, and everyone has the same opportunity, I do not see a need for "campaigns" to go above and beyond equality of opportunity. Frankly I don't give a crap if Asians are under-represented in football, so long as they are not actively facing discrimination and being obstructed in any way.

Things need to be equal and things need to happen organically in their own time. All these campaigns to push "inclusivity" and "representation" and have it done tomorrow... they all miss the point. There's no rush. Provide an equal playing field, stop seeing things in terms of xxx blacks, yyy Asians, just let things happen organically and at their own pace, and take pride in treating people equally.

That way people can also be assured that they get places on their own merit, not some bizarro forced inclusivity programme. It's just weird.
 
jpaul said:
These Yorkshire cricket racism allegations - we still haven't seen the damn report ?
At the moment this seems like a one-sided debate with no right for defence, cries of institutional racism (whatever that means),
it's like the salem witch trials.
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You probably wont see the report as its supposed to be a white wash, saying everything was ok. Rafiq was speaking to the DCMS select committee https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59310943
 
Bear said:
You probably wont see the report as its supposed to be a white wash, saying everything was ok. Rafiq was speaking to the DCMS select committee https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59310943
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I heard most of it - yes he's very angry citing some incidents, whose timeline is not very clear, in terms of overlap with school experiences not related to Yorkshire,
it's his lack of career advancement and their lack of sympathy on diseased child that came over as main points,
but I did not really hear how he tried to address those at the time - we seem to be talking only 5 odd years ago,
some of these incidents must have been reported within club with a hard record , which is what I want to see.
 
FoxEye said:
I must admit I don't understand this at all.

We're not in Asia. Why does it matter if Asians are under-represented in football? So long as there are no barriers preventing them from joining a club or whatever, then why feel the need to push more Asians into football? If they want to they can. If they don't they don't have to. No pressure, no barriers, just a sport that is open to all, regardless.

Question: Does South Korea have a program to encourage non-Koreans to get into Korean football? Or K-Pop? Or anything? Why would they, it's bizarre.

If there are no barriers to entry, and everyone has the same opportunity, I do not see a need for "campaigns" to go above and beyond equality of opportunity. Frankly I don't give a crap if Asians are under-represented in football, so long as they are not actively facing discrimination and being obstructed in any way.

Things need to be equal and things need to happen organically in their own time. All these campaigns to push "inclusivity" and "representation" and have it done tomorrow... they all miss the point. There's no rush. Provide an equal playing field, stop seeing things in terms of xxx blacks, yyy Asians, just let things happen organically and at their own pace, and take pride in treating people equally.

That way people can also be assured that they get places on their own merit, not some bizarro forced inclusivity programme. It's just weird.
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I do find this a bit strange and it seems to keep growing. I noticed a friend on Strava had joined a "Black trail runners" group which stated that black people are under represented in trail running. We saw the same thing with black people being under represented in Cycling in London which lead to a drive to increase numbers within this specific group. I mean, it's great that they are looking at ways to increase people getting fit, reducing pollution and traffic generally but it strikes me as very odd to focus purely on black people. Why is there no drive to increase numbers from other groups?

Thomas Sowell talks about this at length below as the claim is essentially that if a group is under represented in any work place, activity, sport etc. then it must be due to structural racism and/or discrimination of some kind, when it is in fact a multitude of different factors, some economic, some cultural, some historical etc.

https://youtu.be/U7hmTRT8tb4
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
Thomas Sowell talks about this at length below as the claim is essentially that if a group is under represented in any work place, activity, sport etc. then it must be due to structural racism and/or discrimination of some kind, when it is in fact a multitude of different factors, some economic, some cultural, some historical etc.

https://youtu.be/U7hmTRT8tb4
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Yeah its complete BS and just another thing that idiots like to hang their hat on as proof that X is racist or discriminatory.

When there is an overrepresentation of a particular group in one are they will use that as a negative if its white people (too few black people) and a negative if its black (they aren't given opportunity elsewhere, its a result of X, Y and Z which is bad).

The England football team is massively overrepresented by black players. Perhaps we should look at reducing that eh? Of course not. There is nothing wrong with it. I have no issue with encouraging people to take up a given sport but I really hate the idea that its racist simple because of the numbers. Its lazy and idiotic. Basically everything that current thinking on race is.
 
fez said:
Yeah its complete BS and just another thing that idiots like to hang their hat on as proof that X is racist or discriminatory.

When there is an overrepresentation of a particular group in one are they will use that as a negative if its white people (too few black people) and a negative if its black (they aren't given opportunity elsewhere, its a result of X, Y and Z which is bad).

The England football team is massively overrepresented by black players. Perhaps we should look at reducing that eh? Of course not. There is nothing wrong with it. I have no issue with encouraging people to take up a given sport but I really hate the idea that its racist simple because of the numbers. Its lazy and idiotic. Basically everything that current thinking on race is.
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I can kind of see where people are coming from to a degree. I can't remember which American university it was but they made the entrance exam harder for East Asians which sparked quite the debate. It does seem massively unfair, but then at the same time what would happen if ONLY East Asians got into certain degrees and therefore massively dominated certain industries? Would that still be fair? I honestly don't know.

One of the inevitable outcomes of a meritocracy is that certain groups, whether separated by class, ethnic group, education, place or birth etc. will dominate certain fields, including sports, fields of science, business owners etc. When you have freedom you will not get equal outcomes. When you have equal outcomes you will not have freedom.
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
One of the inevitable outcomes of a meritocracy is that certain groups, whether separated by class, ethnic group, education, place or birth etc. will dominate certain fields, including sports, fields of science, business owners etc. When you have freedom you will not get equal outcomes. When you have equal outcomes you will not have freedom.
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lol someone was talking about racial stereotypes on youtube yesterday on one of those family question shows.

they had to pick someone to answer a question in a certain field and people thought it was racist.

I commented.

Asian guy for maths questions.
Black Americans for basketball questions
red necks for nascar.
White English for cricket.
Russians for pc/hacker questions
etc

youtube insta deleted my comment as soon as I posted even though it's pretty much accurate....

stereotypes don';t come out of nowhere they aren't even negative ones woke tube...

The internet is so censored today it's beyond a joke it was never meant to be like this.

we're all being guided by some woke virtue signalling companies opinions on how society should be.

people think twitter is a representation of a global population than you see a study come out recently saying what everyone already knew.

it's an echo chamber of a minority voice.

I bet you can make a video on youtube claiming all British people have bad teeth or mention it on twitter and nothing.
jit's just taken and accepted as a fact
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
I can kind of see where people are coming from to a degree. I can't remember which American university it was but they made the entrance exam harder for East Asians which sparked quite the debate. It does seem massively unfair, but then at the same time what would happen if ONLY East Asians got into certain degrees and therefore massively dominated certain industries? Would that still be fair? I honestly don't know.

One of the inevitable outcomes of a meritocracy is that certain groups, whether separated by class, ethnic group, education, place or birth etc. will dominate certain fields, including sports, fields of science, business owners etc. When you have freedom you will not get equal outcomes. When you have equal outcomes you will not have freedom.
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There is no fair way to do these things. That is the fundamental problem. We are not robots. Different cultures place different value on different things. Its all completely contradictory. You can't say that you want everyone to live in peace and harmony in a multicultural world whilst at the same time treating people as the sum total of the colour of their skin. There is a reason why plenty of black people are completely against the idea that everything is racist. If you tell people that their race is their defining quality and that if you have the "wrong" skin colour then you are going to be discriminated against at every turn, how can you expect them to ever achieve in life.

Unfortunately not everything in this world is open to everyone regardless of wealth or location. The vast majority of things are however.

The example you gave of making an entrance exam harder is wrong, plain and simple. Its a great microcosm of how we deal with people who excel though. Bring them down to the level of the average. Don't try to compete or elevate people, just bring others down. Its pathetic.
 
The Running Man said:
I wonder how many of these supporters were arrested for this chanting?

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we all know "white guys can't jump"
:p totally racist movie

your never going to get rid of stereotypes, is a single person really offended over a positive stereotype?

all Indians are doctors.... is a bad thing if your Indian but not a doctor? some 20% of doctors in the UK are Indian according to google

Indian doctors are usually way better than the grumpy white person who act like your a timewaster
 
jpaul said:
I heard most of it - yes he's very angry citing some incidents, whose timeline is not very clear, in terms of overlap with school experiences not related to Yorkshire,
it's his lack of career advancement and their lack of sympathy on diseased child that came over as main points,
but I did not really hear how he tried to address those at the time - we seem to be talking only 5 odd years ago,
some of these incidents must have been reported within club with a hard record , which is what I want to see.
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It was the still birth of his child and subsequent dressing down after he came back to work, casual racist abuse etc. is what I got from it. You are supposing that these incidents might have been reported and recorded, whos to say they werent just ignored as a petty complaint which may be part of the problem, no one took it seriously until he blew it all up, who knows? I do think it odd that if this is something thats being blown out of proportion, then why would many of the individuals involved come out and apologise for their part in it or do you think they are just doing it for damage limitation to appease the public and press?
 
FoxEye said:
I must admit I don't understand this at all.

We're not in Asia. Why does it matter if Asians are under-represented in football? So long as there are no barriers preventing them from joining a club or whatever, then why feel the need to push more Asians into football? If they want to they can. If they don't they don't have to. No pressure, no barriers, just a sport that is open to all, regardless.

Question: Does South Korea have a program to encourage non-Koreans to get into Korean football? Or K-Pop? Or anything? Why would they, it's bizarre.

If there are no barriers to entry, and everyone has the same opportunity, I do not see a need for "campaigns" to go above and beyond equality of opportunity. Frankly I don't give a crap if Asians are under-represented in football, so long as they are not actively facing discrimination and being obstructed in any way.

Things need to be equal and things need to happen organically in their own time. All these campaigns to push "inclusivity" and "representation" and have it done tomorrow... they all miss the point. There's no rush. Provide an equal playing field, stop seeing things in terms of xxx blacks, yyy Asians, just let things happen organically and at their own pace, and take pride in treating people equally.

That way people can also be assured that they get places on their own merit, not some bizarro forced inclusivity programme. It's just weird.
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What do you (and others in this thread) think about the NHS targeting men to donate blood?

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/blood-donation-uk-nhs-men

Men are underrepresented when it comes to giving blood, this is problematic as men are useful donors as they can donate more often and have less reactive blood. There's seemingly no barriers to entry and men can donate should they wish*.


*gay/bi men still have difficulties

Zatoichi.uK said:
I do find this a bit strange and it seems to keep growing. I noticed a friend on Strava had joined a "Black trail runners" group which stated that black people are under represented in trail running. We saw the same thing with black people being under represented in Cycling in London which lead to a drive to increase numbers within this specific group. I mean, it's great that they are looking at ways to increase people getting fit, reducing pollution and traffic generally but it strikes me as very odd to focus purely on black people. Why is there no drive to increase numbers from other groups?
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What makes you think they're only focussing on black people? :confused:

Have you actually checked to see if they're doing anything for other groups?
 
explicit4u said:
What do you (and others in this thread) think about the NHS targeting men to donate blood?

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/blood-donation-uk-nhs-men

Men are underrepresented when it comes to giving blood, this is problematic as men are useful donors as they can donate more often and have less reactive blood. There's seemingly no barriers to entry and men can donate should they wish*.
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Why do you think it's relevant to a thread about racism?

Clearly they want more blood. They don't care really about men or women giving it, they just want more of it, and men just happen to be able to donate more?

I don't see that as a problem of racial representation or gender representation. Those are not the primary metrics. Their motivation is that they want more blood.
 
I'm not up to speed on this thread, I lost interest when it turned out not to be about me ;) But I assume he means they need more "black" blood, are black male people often a different and perhaps rarer blood group to white people's offerings?
 
explicit4u said:
What makes you think they're only focussing on black people? :confused:

Have you actually checked to see if they're doing anything for other groups?
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The group I'm referring to is literally called "Black Trail Runners". Here's a description of the group.

We invite allies, current, past and future trail runners to join us, to help develop the representation of Black runners in trail running, promote the inclusion of Black runners and increase participation of Black runners in trail running, ultrarunning and mountain running.

Now as far as I'm aware, there is no group in the UK that excludes anyone based on race and no-one has been declined membership on the basis of race. The biggest organised race in fact (Parkrun) prides itself on being inclusive for everyone, young, old, class, ability. No-one is excluded and rightly so.

If people want to set up a group where the main identifier is their race then that's their call. I just don't think it's needed and has an us and them feel to it. Make groups appealing and open to everyone, but not to the exclusion of specific groups should be the goal no?

Anyway bit aware of dragging this off topic...
 
I don't see how a black only trail group promotes the inclusion of black runners.

pretty much just segregating themselves voluntarily
 
jpaul said:
I heard most of it - yes he's very angry citing some incidents, whose timeline is not very clear, in terms of overlap with school experiences not related to Yorkshire,
it's his lack of career advancement and their lack of sympathy on diseased child that came over as main points,
but I did not really hear how he tried to address those at the time - we seem to be talking only 5 odd years ago,
some of these incidents must have been reported within club with a hard record , which is what I want to see.
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Rafiq - who hasn't actually played for Yorkshire for a few years - was today calling for a complete clear-out of Yorkshire leadership. This is nothing but a well-disguised coup.
 
Moley said:
Rafiq - who hasn't actually played for Yorkshire for a few years - was today calling for a complete clear-out of Yorkshire leadership. This is nothing but a well-disguised coup.
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I dont remember seeing this kind of witch hunt after the grooming and rape if thousands of young girls by Asian gangs.

Did the press/ government target the takeaways they used/worked at or the taxi companies they drove for and name them all and their management?

And yes takeaways and taxis were used in the abuse of the young girls.

Did the owners not even know? I doubt it.

Name calling is abhorrent but is it worse than raping thousands of children?
 
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