Disgusting !

[Tefal]

Prove me wrong, show me a source.
I've explained that :
Copyright Infringement = not stealing, prove me otherwise
=Piracy. not in my country, downloading a movie or mp3 is not piracy nor
Copyright Infringement.

pssst the ! means not

 

[Tefal]

epic lulz at the way in which you say you can't afford it when you have a pc like that btw.

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Well, you can say how it isn't "stealing" or whatever, but I think most people can see it is just wrong. Is it possible to have a poll asking if piracy is right or wrong?

right and wrong are very subjective.

Acceptable or not my be better

 

[snowdog]

epic lulz at the way in which you say you can't afford it when you have a pc like that btw.

even heard of nice parents and xmas pressies ? I'm 16, I don't work, ''I'' can't afford anything, my parents do.

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Well, you can say how it isn't "stealing" or whatever, but I think most people can see it is just wrong. Is it possible to have a poll asking if piracy is right or wrong?

On Ocuk but that isn't the average student:

http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-morals-and-the-need-for-change-071323/

Piracy, Morals and The Need for Change
Written by Ernesto on December 23, 2007
Morals are often defined by what the general public sees as right or wrong. Most people don’t feel that they’re doing wrong when they download an MP3 or share a movie, but in most countries they are actually breaking laws, laws which do not reflect what the general public considers to be legal, fair use, or even moral.

Law and morals are clearly out of sync when it concerns sharing copyrighted works on the Internet. To give an example, David Pogue, technology writer for the New York Times often questions his public during talks to find out where the line between wrong and right lies in this case. He starts of with a simple statement such as:

“I own a certain CD, but it got scratched. So I borrow the same CD from the library and rip it to my computer.”

He then asks the public whether they think it’s wrong or not. Normally the more extreme the examples are, the more hands are raised, but when he spoke to an audience of 500 college students, something different happened.

Finally, with mock exasperation, I said, “O.K., let’s try one that’s a little less complicated: You want a movie or an album. You don’t want to pay for it. So you download it.” There it was: the bald-faced, worst-case example, without any nuance or mitigating factors whatsoever. “Who thinks that might be wrong?” Two hands out of 500.

Pogue was blown away by this response, and he realized that there is a clear generation gap when it comes to copyright morals. Indeed there is, but what else do you expect from a generation grew up with iPods, CD-burners and the biggest copying machine ever invented (the Internet) at their fingertips. There’s a whole industry built around filesharing, take the 160GB iPod for example, any idea how much it costs to fill that with legally purchased songs?

Computers and the Internet made it easier than ever to reproduce and share files, and it is virtually impossible to stop people from sharing and copying music and videos online. I’m not talking about copying movies for profit here, just for personal use. Besides, sharing files is not as bad as most anti-piracy lobbies want people to believe.

A recent study has shown that people don’t buy less CDs when they download songs, instead, they discover music they otherwise wouldn’t have listened to, and buy more CDs than people who don’t download. On top of this, research continues to show less popular artists actually profit from piracy simply because it allows people to try new music.

From people who missed an episode of their favorite TV-show I often get the question whether it is legal for them to download these off BitTorrent. For them, the only way to see that show is to download it, again, they don’t make any money off it, they just want to see an episode they missed. Is that immoral?

Personally I think it is all about alternatives. Movie, TV and music companies should put their content online and make it available in high quality for a reasonable price without restrictions such as DRM. At the moment there are often no products online that can compete with their pirated counterparts in quality. Sure, there are ways to download (some) music and movies online, but apart from the ridiculous prices, these products are often offered in a low quality format and restricted through DRM.

The thing is, the entertainment industry should learn how to embrace technology and compete with piracy, instead of fighting its customers. The rise of illegal downloading is a signal that customers want something that is not available through other channels, it’s more about availability than the fact that it’s free, as illustrated by the missed TV-show example.

Honestly, the real problem isn’t so much about protecting the rights of the artist, but about protecting the revenue stream for the big media companies. The people who actually create the movies and music want their content to be shared, only the large corporations behind it are too afraid to move on. Lobby groups such as the MPAA and the RIAA represent the distributors of movies and music, NOT the creators. They even pay politicians to support their cause by voting for or against laws so that legislation is made with their interests in mind. Is that moral?

The main reason why these corporations are hesitant to go online is because they are trying to make most of their money of something that can easily done by the public - distribution. They are striving to preserve outdated business models because that’s how they make their money. I’m not proposing that everyone should just pirate everything, but I suggest that the movie and movie industry make their content available online for a reasonable price.

The Internet and filesharing technologies make it possible to make production (of the copies) and distribution costs disappear, yet the prices still don’t change. Why? Because they cling onto their old business models.

So should sharing copyrighted material be legalized? Not per se, but the entertainment industry should focus on monetizing filesharing networks instead of bringing them down. Sharing is a good thing and there are tons of possibilities to profit from it.

What do you think?

As you can see most young people disagree with what you are saying.
OcUK is an exception, it's filled with midclass to rich people that are almost worshipping technology, not the average poor student.

 

[inferno]

http://torrentfreak.com/codemasters-set-lawyers-on-bittorrent-colin-mcrae-071129/

Article on this case, worth a read

 

[snowdog]

I'm on about music and films though, I agree downloading games & software is piracy & illegal, it is too here by law different laws apply to software.

 

[Fire Wizard]

snip

Hey snowdog, why should students like myself, gain special privileges and the laws should change just to benefit students?

You also say "average poor students", any reason why?

 

[LordSplodge]

Prove me wrong, show me a source.
I've explained that :
Copyright Infringement = not stealing, prove me otherwise
=Piracy. not in my country, downloading a movie or mp3 is not piracy nor
Copyright Infringement.

!= means not equal to.

Me and you are on the same page!

 

[Jokester]

That is the fault of the producers, the plot, the cast etc, the movie is just not good enough: stop making bad movies and try harder.

So what if the film is crap? If they made no money then crap films wouldn't get made and the good films would not get made either. Do you honestly believe they make crap films thinking it won't make them money? Pretty much every film is made with the intention of making a return, some make a lot more, some make a lot less. Crap films/music is not a defense for downloading without paying.

 

[mattyfez]

anyone downloaded: steal this film 2, yet? quite interesting.

Personaly the bit that hit home to me was interviewing the young kids who find the concept of paying for music to be quite absurd....they've been been brought up with file sharing and just dont understand why someone would be daft enough to pay for music!!!

Regardless of anyones views, the worms cannot be put back into the can, theres a segment in the film talking of when the pirate bay's servers got confiscated and the internet traffic for the whole of europe dropped by about 35%!

Its not theft, its bigger than that, its social evoloution and theres no stopping it.

 

[snowdog]

!= means not equal to.

Me and you are on the same page!

Ah sorry lol, /slaps himself.

So what if the film is crap? If they made no money then crap films wouldn't get made and the good films would not get made either. Do you honestly believe they make crap films thinking it won't make them money? Pretty much every film is made with the intention of making a return, some make a lot more, some make a lot less. Crap films/music is not a defense for downloading without paying.

Oh come on, look @ the film Pearl Harbour, everything is rushed off on a pc in 3dmax or whatever istead of properly filmed, the film is so poor because it's so damn unrealistic. The person who thought that would be a good movie must've been on crack. It's uncomparable to good classics like tora tora tora, that's one of the few films I'd be willing to pay for.

What excuse, there is no excuse, you don't have to buy, you can download in my case, I don't have to give any excuse or reason to do so, because I can legally.

dropped by about 35%!
theres no stopping it.

Exactly, what I don't get is that the records company's don't get this, they must quickly adjust to the times and find new ways of bringing the films to the fans, dvd's etc are so old. They can adjust, they just don't want to and all they do is moan about it.

 

[GarethDW]

As already said, downloading music, films, games, tv shows, apps etc.. is not (in the legal sense) considered theft, it is considered an infringement of copyright.

However, "copyright infringement" doesn't have the same ring to it, which is why a certain organisation funded by the software industry is called the Federation Against Software Theft (or more colloquially known as FAST) when it should really be called the Federation Against Software Copyright Infringement not Software Theft (also known as FASCIST)

 

[snowdog]

Utter rubbish, people have started doing something wrong so we should just give up trying to stop it?

Do you honestly think you can stop us, p2p is rapidly growing and thriving, for every site that goes down there are 5-10 new sites.
The more attention p2p/newsgroups/warez sites is given the more people will try it, eventually the majority will, and the laws will be changed as the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
More than 50% of all internet bandwith is p2p now.
Mininova ( am I allowed to name it ?) is in the top 50 most visited sites in the world.

Making it to the 50 most visited websites on the Internet is impressive, especially if you consider that 9 out of 50 sites are local google domains. Mininova currently ranks 46th, other sites included in the lists are Yahoo!, YouTube, Myspace, Wikipedia and EBay.

To give an impression how big they are, Mininova has well over 3,000,000 visits and 16,500,000 pageviews a day, and this number is still growing.

There's no stopping it.

 

[mattyfez]

Utter rubbish, people have started doing something wrong so we should just give up trying to stop it?

Well, morality is not a fixed value, its a consensus.
When the majority belive somthing that was previously thought wrong, to be right, then it stops being wrong and becomes right.

Thats the beauty of living in a democracy, and with the next generation growing up with no concept of copyright theft, I find it quite funny that people are even wasting thier time trying to "stop it" stop what exactly? the next step in the evolution of communication? good luck with that.

 

[Tefal]

ugh the social ******** people have turned up, sort of makes being on this side embarrassing

tbh i just like being able to stream a move when i feel like, usually old ones that have been on tv eor been out a few years.

If someone made a site like stage 6 but say put in a few add breaks like on tv or a couple of banners/traliers. I'd use that, it's often just not worth paying £10+ and the hassle of getting a bus or walking to buy/rent a film, what 4od are doing with the free archive of old shows is great.

I'd support that kind of a system but everyone wants to make something where i would have to use a credit card (which i don't have i only uses my debit cad or cash so i know i have enough money).

Basically on-line tv where you make the schedule your self supported by ad's would be perfect, and would cost hardly anything the programs are already made the person who holds the lease puts them up on the site they get a slice of the profit which they would never have got the site gets its slice, and everyone can get their free films etc just like tv (well commercial tv you have to pay for the bbc)

 

[snowdog]

so you think the majority think it's okay?

Yes, @ the young generations, once all the oldies ( anybody now 35+) die out the majority will eventually agree. I have yet to meet anybody in my school that has never downloaded a song, espcially people between 12-20 will all think it's okay.

 

[Tefal]

so you think the majority think it's okay?

Finally, with mock exasperation, I said, “O.K., let’s try one that’s a little less complicated: You want a movie or an album. You don’t want to pay for it. So you download it.” There it was: the bald-faced, worst-case example, without any nuance or mitigating factors whatsoever. “Who thinks that might be wrong?” Two hands out of 500.

read much?

 

[snowdog]

You're an exception, as are most people on ocuk, OcUK isp probably one of the least representative parts of the population of any site, also any site that doesn't immediatly suspend people for talking about p2p has LOADS of posts with people pirating or asking how to. I myself am member of a lot of blogs and other forums where warez talk is normall and perfectly accepted by everyone.

 

[Macro]

The posters who support piracy know it's not the right thing to do and that is why they object so strongly to it being called theft. Being a criminal (and it's perfectly possible for "piracy" to be a criminal offence although it is fair to say it's usually delt with as a civil matter) doesn't sit well with the perverse logic they use to justify their actions.

They try to wrap it up as not depriving anyone of anything, or "it's only me, what's one copy of a film to a corporation" as some kind of excuse for their dishonesty.

And that's what it is, dishonest, plain and simple. Quite frankly the whole "clone" or "the companies charge to much I'm some kind of Robin Hood sticking it to the faceless corporations" excuses is the kind of twaddle wheeled out by dishonest scumbags that think the world owes them a living and are happy to rip off someone else's hard work for nothing because they think they're special somehow.

Surprising how many people round here are happy to publicise that they're dishonest and not to be trusted /shrug. Maybe they think it's cool?

Arguing the semantics of exactly what this kind of dishonesty is called is pointless.

Frankly the more the companies and legal system fight back and take these leaches to court the better.

 

[Tefal]

hahahahahahahahahahaha, yeah, but that's the majority in a certain group

Do the majority of people think abortion is wrong? Well go into a hardcore Christian church in the Bible Belt and I bet they will.

500 random students would generally be an acceptable measure of the youths opinions on the subject, so yes when the older generation dies these will be the people in government.

 

[Macro]

Yes, @ the young generations, once all the oldies ( anybody now 35+) die out the majority will eventually agree. I have yet to meet anybody in my school that has never downloaded a song, espcially people between 12-20 will all think it's okay.

You're missing the point though aren't you. It's got almost nothing to do with age and more to do with expecting something for nothing because that's the way your parents have brought you up.

It'll all be a bit different when it's someone else ripping off your hard work and depriving your family and children of the income they deserve and are entitled to.