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Its such a shame. In Caerphilly county there is a load of woodland. And it's great for exploring Walking or on the bike. But so much of the uplands are ruined by sheep. Particularly sheep.
In Llantrisant common sheep have been removed from areas because they graze so close to the ground they destroy biodiversity. They are trying to bring back the marsh fritillary butterfly as its in serious decline.
Recently moved up to Yorkshire, so many bare fields with sheep crammed into them. Do we really eat that much lamb/use that much wool from sheep or is it just a massively subsidised industry? Few local farmers have recently began 'rewilding' parts of their land which will be interesting to see it coming back to 'life' a bit more.
That very article says
"But problems of overgrazing and undergrazing may arise due to falling numbers of livestock, unsuitable rates of stocking and lack of shepherding.
Overgrazing causes soil erosion and loss of diversity in swards. Undergrazing leads to growth of the most competitive plants and loss of diversity."
Which is what often happens.
Go into a sheep field and look how bare it is. This is more often than not what happens.
Not many farmers want to have a few sheep Roaming all over the place.
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Not sure why people even still keep sheep, there is no money in it anymore. They just makes a mess for no reason.
Maybe it will die out. Maybe there are subsidies? I'm not too familiar with sheep farming.
Veganism works to a point and for limited numbers of people. It’s not sustainable or scaleable though and that’s why veganism is a niche market and more an emotionally or lifestyle driven choice. Outside of food veganism is even less sustainable. Vegan wallpaper, vegan shoes. Vegan candles are probably my favourite.
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I like the whole "vegan leather" thing. Basically cheap PU fake leather, but now your being charged extra for it because your a gullible vegan
Whoever came up with this is a genius
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I don't eat cereals either, what's your point? I don't even feed cereals to my animals either because it's complete dirt with no nutritional value to humans or animals.
Cereal fed meat is much worse quality than grass fed.
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I like the whole "vegan leather" thing. Basically fake leather, which no one used to want, but because it's now "vegan" your being charged extra for it.
Whoever came up with this is a genius
You are essentially throwing away good leather and wasting money on more pollution to create fake leather.
I like the whole "vegan leather" thing. Basically fake leather your being charged extra for.
Whoever came up with this is a genius
Lol yeah, here is a bunch of petroleum junk with 10% the durability and 90 the toxicity that covers you in layers of micro plastics. Made in a Chinese sweat shop by children. Vegans: Yay vegan leather.
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Veganism IS more sustainable and scalable than meat production for the reasons I have given, cut back the land used for animal agriculture and use it for crops suitable for human consumption.
The amount of food we give to cattle alone equates to the amount of food that would sustain 15 billion people, that's just cattle.
That's more than the earth's population and massively more than if we were directly consuming those cows ourselves.
Yes not all the land that is used for cattle feed could be repurposed for a variety of human foods, but even if it was 50% of it that would still produce more than enough to feed the current population, and that doesn't include all the other food sources we have on top.
Are you of the opinion that the meat industry and it's growing demand is a more sustainable option than transitioning to a vegan industry, also with growing demand?
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There are alternatives, lots of work around mycelium/mushroom/fungal leathers which are already in use by Adidas and Stella McCartney. There’s even research into self healing leathers based on mushrooms too.
I did read that section also... But you could have put the bit JUST above that quote in as well given its relevant.
Hill farming itself is not detrimental to the environment. Doing it incorrectly is but that is the same for the vast majority of things - over do it and its harmful. Over production/use of arable lands to grow the very crops for a meat free diet can cause soil erosion and loss of diversity *shrug*
This is why I favour reducing meat consumption, not removing it entirely. I think that makes more sense, as farming animals can have benefits, it's just we do way too much of it because we eat more meat than we need to. Want and need is a very different thing.
you are just plain wrong.I hope you don't use maths in your line of work.
Around 70-80% of arable land is used to create foodstuffs to feed animals. Animal farming is incredibly inefficient.
There are many studies about maximizing the productivity of farming to find the maximum population level the planet can support. The diet is essentially almost purely vegan because it is more efficient to feed people the crops directly
By converting the planet to be vegan, we can reduce the amount of land required far farming by something close to 65-70%
I’m not. Cattle eat very low quality easily managed foods because cattle can extract nutrients more effectively. It’s not a one-one comparison per area unit.
You need to carful when considering ‘arable land’ as it isn’t all suitable for the same crops or types of cultivation.
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We over feed animals producing much lower quality meat, we could just feed animals more appropriate food and the correct amount and we'd still see massive savings in land use
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