Maybe to a point, but at scale veganism fails pretty spectacularly. Comfortable veganism is concerning particularly when considering wealth and celebrity/social/emotional influence to the mix.
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Maybe to a point, but at scale veganism fails pretty spectacularly. Comfortable veganism is concerning particularly when considering wealth and celebrity/social/emotional influence to the mix.
It all depends on how you get your meat.
And then you can look at it from climate change or suffering.
Beef farming is absolutely horrendous for the environment for example. The FCR of beef vs chicken is off the scale
(although maxing out the FCR for. Chicken meat has some unpleasant consequences for cruelty aspect.)
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ehh, no it won't. If the world went vegan then there would be a massive reduction in GHGs, a vast reduction in the amount of land required to be farmed, and people would be healthier and less burden on health systems
Yeah, beef framing generally isn’t good.
Completely forgot the side effect of strain on the health system
i didn't read it that way, merely that thinking you are morally just in your decisions doesn't mean much
Isn't there a quote about any debater that brings up Hitler or Nazis have already lost the argument
obesity and poor diet in general os completely snarling up health services
Not from some quick maths. The land requirements/food miles and calorific values don’t add up. Not even close.
Absolutely. It's not so bad in the USA where you pay for yourself. But over here, where everyone shares the burden, it's a bigger issue. Along with all the others the NHS has
But how is the equivalent, eating meat, more sustainable than veganism? Sustainability of food in general is a real huge issue, but don't you agree that the latter is the better option of the two?
Health implications, like what? You can be healthy on a well planned vegan diet? We've discussed this, although there is the question that all the studies into health benefits have been subverted by pro-vegan 7th day Adventists.
Make sure you take into account not needing the existing land for animal feed.
If you have more land available wouldn't that mean population will increase to use up that extra space therefore needing more production of foodstuffs on less space?
Not necessarily. Population in West is decreasing due to many factors m and birth rates are down pretty much world wide.
I’m taking into account as much as I can, but as I said earlier it’s beyond the scope of a forum to properly discuss and keep all the points in mind. We are expecting sea levels to raise as much as 1.25 metres over the next 50 years and have seen climate driven soil degradation of 40% in some areas of the world. Adding in the transient climate issues and veganism into mix and the model becomes huge. Definitely some PhD’s in this for people.
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But surely veganism is not an additional burden to food production, it's a relief on the current system?
If fields weren't being used to produce vegan crops they'd still be used in other ways which wouldn't be any less damaging. It's not like they would be left wild, if they can somehow turn a profit for the owner then they'll be utilised.
Numbers are Wishy washy too. It's very hard to find real numbers that aren't funded by organisations with motives (for and agaist). Especially when searching to reply to forum posts. Its usually hard to escape the bias
At this moment and/or for limited numbers of people.
Yeah, it’s a hugely complex problem and some topics can be very easily misconstrued or manipulated for political means.
We understand the problems, solutions and actions we need to take though. We know we are losing land mass to the sea and farmable areas of the world are being reduced. Birth rates will increase and populations will increase in some parts of the world.
Needs a lot more land for the crops. But we keep building low quality houses and solar farms all over that, which is a problem.
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