DLSS 2.0: why aren’t more people raving about it?

[chris85oc]

Some people focus too much on resolution as if that’s the most important thing. Wrong. Photorealism matters more. Raytracing and other techniques are the things that impress not ****** graphics at 4k native. And that’s where DLSS helps.

Even demons souls looks better than anything ive seen on pc and its ‘only’ 1440 60 with NO raytracing. But it’s so goddamn clean and crisp on my OLED with a crazy good HDR.

Even beats cyberpunk ( ignoring the scope of CP while saying this ) with full on RT. Wish consoles had DLSS tho. Such a shame AMD couldnt come up with an equivalent...

 

[Grim5]

Some people focus too much on resolution as if that’s the most important thing. Wrong. Photorealism matters more. Raytracing and other techniques are the things that impress not ****** graphics at 4k native. And that’s where DLSS helps.

Even demons souls looks better than anything ive seen on pc and its ‘only’ 1440 60 with NO raytracing. But it’s so goddamn clean and crisp on my OLED with a crazy good HDR.

Even beats cyberpunk ( ignoring the scope of CP while saying this ) with full on RT. Wish consoles had DLSS tho. Such a shame AMD couldnt come up with an equivalent...

To be fair a lot of things on OLED just blow it out of the water compared to a LCD PC monitor and that's unrelated to settings but just that OLED provides a massive upgrade in image quality regardless of game settings.


If someone has spare money, as long as you already have a gpu around equal to a rtx3060 or better, I wouldn't bother upgrading the gpu - I'd put that into a good OLED HDR screen because that will give you a bigger graphics upgrade than a new graphics card and that's just the Facts


Like I upgraded from a 2080ti to a rtx3090, but if I didn't already have an OLED screen, that money that I spent on the 3090 would have been much better spent getting an OLED screen as it would improve the experience much more than the rtx3090 has

 

[g67575]

I'd put that into a good OLED HDR screen because that will give you a bigger graphics upgrade than a new graphics card and that's just the Facts

It won't increase graphical detail, or reduce distracting / unsightly aliasing in games like running at higher resolution does, so I respectfully disagree...

Also, the prices of OLED monitors / TVs are 'too damn high™' a quick google search shows prices of £945-£2000 or more.

 

[Richdog]

It won't increase graphical detail, or reduce distracting / unsightly aliasing in games like running at higher resolution does, so I respectfully disagree...

Also, the prices of OLED monitors / TVs are 'too damn high™' a quick google search shows prices of £945-£2000 or more.

Have to agree that what grim5 wrote does not make any logical sense. Of course an OLED is not a substitute for upgrading a mid range GPU like a 3060 to a high end Gpu like a 3060... double the graphics horsepower will be far more impactful.

An OLED is an amazing display, but as you say it costs several times the money that a regular IPS monitor does and it really needs a 4k monster of a GPU like a 3080 or 3090 to drive it. Running it at a lower resolution with a 3060 makes no sense. It's the icing on the cake, but it is not the cake.

 

[imginy]

Have to agree that what grim5 wrote does not make any logical sense. Of course an OLED is not a substitute for upgrading a mid range GPU like a 3060 to a high end Gpu like a 3060... double the graphics horsepower will be far more impactful.

An OLED is an amazing display, but as you say it costs several times the money that a regular IPS monitor does and it really needs a 4k monster of a GPU like a 3080 or 3090 to drive it. Running it at a lower resolution with a 3060 makes no sense. It's the icing on the cake, but it is not the cake.

Most the high end TVs will also run 1440p 120hz and do a really good job at it, so you don't actually need a high end GPU.

 

[Richdog]

Most the high end TVs will also run 1440p 120hz and do a really good job at it, so you don't actually need a high end GPU.

Sigh... I think you also really missed the (rather obvious) point of what I was saying. Buying an OLED at £1000-£1600 for running games at 1440p 120hz is just completely daft vs putting the money into a more powerful GPU.

 

[imginy]

Sigh... I think you also really missed the (rather obvious) point of what I was saying. Buying an OLED at £1000-£1600 for running games at 1440p 120hz is just completely daft vs putting the money into a more powerful GPU.

Yeah sorry but I disagree,

Personally I would rather be playing on a mid range GPU and a 55" OLED or QLED.

 

[Richdog]

Yeah sorry but I disagree,

Personally I would rather be playing on a mid range GPU and a 55" OLED or QLED.

It's great that you would 'personally prefer that', but generally speaking it makes very little logical sense whatsoever. I mean really, just LOL at you saying you would rather have a 3060 and a QLED when in reality you actually have a 3080... same with Grim with his 3090. Two people with the luxury of having high end GPU's saying they would be happy with mid-range GPU's. Yawn.

Also, a QLED is nothing special compared to an OLED... a QLED is basically just an LED TV with fancy marketing. An OLED is in another league.

 

[imginy]

It's great that you would 'personally prefer that', but generally speaking it makes very little logical sense whatsoever. I mean really, just LOL at you saying you would rather have a 3060 and a QLED when in reality you actually have a 3080... same with Grim with his 3090. Two people with the luxury of having high end GPU's saying they would be happy with mid-range GPU's. Yawn.

Also, a QLED is nothing special compared to an OLED... a QLED is basically just an LED TV with fancy marketing. An OLED is in another league.

Sorry not sure how I offended you.

I only just got my 3080 and before that I had a gtx 1080.

I ran my last qled on the gtx 1080 at 1440p 120hz for a year and half. I really enjoyed playing HDR games at 1440p even if my GPU was lacking I still had amazing colours and motion and would take that over a high end GPU and lesser monitor any day.

Anyway not sure what I done wrong, sorry I see things differently to you.

 

[Richdog]

Sorry not sure how I offended you.

I only just got my 3080 and before that I had a gtx 1080.

I ran my last qled on the gtx 1080 at 1440p 120hz for a year and half. I really enjoyed playing HDR games at 1440p even if my GPU was lacking I still had amazing colours and motion and would take that over a high end GPU and lesser monitor any day.

Anyway not sure what I done wrong, sorry I see things differently to you.

I am not 'offended', but I will always say if I don't agree with something and will also provide my logic to support it. Dealing with conflicting view is all part of being an adult, so suck it up and don't take it personally.

 

[Nexus18]

Grim5 is correct, there isn't a preference here, it's just simply a fact, oled allows visuals to shine far more than a LCD display ever will, let alone in any remotely dark areas.

Give me 1440P with medium/high settings on an oled over a 4k LCD with high/ultra settings any day, there's just no comparison, it's literally like playing a next gen game on the oled compared to a ps 3 version when on a lcd display. When I switched COD back to my monitor, I thought something was broke as it was that bad....

As for price, monitors are more of a rip of and have been for years now, £999+ for a 48/55" 4k 120hz HDR OLED vs £700+ standard 4k LCD 144HZ monitor (800+ if you want a marginally better one and don't even look at the prices of monitors if you want true HDR )..... OLED TV is by far the best purchase I have ever made for my gaming PC and the only thing that has been worth the £££

PS. I had a vega 56 and was perfectly happy with it for the oled, the only reason I got a 3080 was for when I wanted to play games on my 34" 3440x1440 144hz (because of how **** monitor scalers are, reducing res. was not an option unlike TVs, most scale extremely well), that and it made perfect sense to grab a new card back then because of the price

 

[wunkley]

Interesting debate. Obviously you want a high end GPU And an OLED! As someone who has both (3090), if I had to choose an either or, it would be a tough decision for me for various reasons.

Also, need to make an obvious point that to run an oled tv, which are all 4K, you need a ‘high end’ GPU anyway so you can always maintain 60fps to match 60hz minimum. This was often not achievable on my previous card, a 1080ti (faster than a 3060 by the way!) unless the game had a render resolution slider and I had to knock it down to 70ish. Unless you’ve got a more recent model oled with gsync of course, my oled is an older c8.

 

[Nexus18]

Interesting debate. Obviously you want a high end GPU And an OLED! As someone who has both (3090), if I had to choose an either or, it would be a tough decision for me for various reasons.

Also, need to make an obvious point that to run an oled tv, which are all 4K, you need a ‘high end’ GPU anyway so you can always maintain 60fps to match 60hz minimum. This was often not achievable on my previous card, a 1080ti (faster than a 3060 by the way!) unless the game had a render resolution slider and I had to knock it down to 70ish. Unless you’ve got a more recent model oled with gsync of course, my oled is an older c8.

If you have the correct settings for the TV and your nvidia control panel in terms of letting the TV do the scaling, you should be able to happily play at 1440p and not notice much if any drop in res., obviously it depends largely on the game and your viewing distance though.

 

[Dicehunter]

I am not 'offended', but I will always say if I don't agree with something and will also provide my logic to support it. Dealing with conflicting view is all part of being an adult, so suck it up and don't take it personally.

I think most of the western world has forgotten this a long time ago.

 

[SKILL]

I'd be interested to know the setup of those using a 'TV' as a monitor, e.g. 49" or seemingly even higher here, is that on a desk or in a living room?

Personally I have/'need' dual monitors as I find that superior for general usage and also work, so I've got a 27" 1440p monitor for my main/gaming monitor which works fine, but can't imagine having a 49" main monitor in this setup

I'd love to see a decent OLED, proper HDR monitor down in the 27" range...

 

[Game]

Yeah sorry but I disagree,

Personally I would rather be playing on a mid range GPU and a 55" OLED or QLED.

Thats why everyone is different i couldn't think of anything worse than using a 55 inch screen for games

Nothing larger than 27 for me

 

[wunkley]

If you have the correct settings for the TV and your nvidia control panel in terms of letting the TV do the scaling, you should be able to happily play at 1440p and not notice much if any drop in res., obviously it depends largely on the game and your viewing distance though.

Aye I used to run a few games at 2560x1440 on the oled for those games that didn't have a render slider. I sit about 9 feet away (lounge TV, PC upstairs, 30m fibre optic hdmi cable going out of house and back in again shenanigans) from the screen so 1440p really is ok at that distance. You get much better visual quality though by setting the game at 4k and letting it render up from say 70%, especially if the game has TAA as it does some kind of reconstruction I believe.

 

[Fractured Life]

Anyone of you TV lads running an LG CX? I see the 55 is 1100 but the 48 is 1250ish and wonder why...Need to figure if the 48 will fit in the harry potter sim racing cave. The 55 won't.

So as for DLSS...I need to spend another £1200 before its worthwhile. Put the Glowsticks down.

 

[wunkley]

Why 48-inch LG CX OLED TV is Pricier than 55-inch CX - Explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=045s-Uy4stg

 

[KompuKare]

once FSR/DirectML is widespread and rt is viable on amd cards, %90 of the users in this thread will do a full 180

Or, if consoles get a DirectML upscaler, the GPCMR will go to console upscaling is bad, PC upscaling is the best thing since sliced bread!
(Never liked pre-sliced bread, so that idiom doesn't work for me anyhow.)
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