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Do AMD provide any benefit to the retail GPU segment.

RDNA 2 was more competitive in terms of price/performance

3080 couldn't have been $1300 when 6800xt was $645. Likewise, if 7900xtx would have been $645, 4080 would have not remained at $1300.

Same for 4070ti vs 7900xt, 4070 vs 6800xt ( since AMD didn't bother to compete with newer cards).

So current Nvidia prices are thanks to AMD not competing and current AMD prices are due to their greed.
The RTX4080 launched at $1200 and the RX7900XTX at $1000,yet Nvidia despite costing 20% more in the US did nothing. The 7900XT price was useless but it launched before the RTX4070TI which technically undercut it by $100 but street pricing is similar because AMD dropped the pricing.

Also the RX6900XT and RX6800XT prices dropped a lot. Plenty of deals were there for RX6900XT cards around £600 to £700 and RX6800XT cards were under £600 at a few retailers. In the US the AMD cards dropped even lower and Nvidia did nothing for months. RX6800 series cards for the price of an RTX3070.

Nvidia didn't reduce any of their Ampere equivalents and it appears Nvidia just price matched what AMD basically had with a slight discount after many months with the RTX4070.

The RX6650XT is priced at the same level as the RTX3050 and the RTX3060 is priced the same as the RX6700XT at most retailers. AMD is offering 35% to 50% more performance at the lower tiers.

So looking at the market it appears AMD despite undercutting Nvidia many price points for the last six months seems to not do much this generation. AMD also seems more likely to reduce pricing too.

So most of the blame is down to Nvidia this generation refusing to drop Ampere pricing. It meant less pressure on AMD. AMD did drop the RX6900XT/RX6950XT pricing by about 30% to 40% months ago. The RX6600/RX6650XT/RX6700XT prices are £100 less now.

What annoys me is that because rubbish like the RTX3050 and RTX3060 costs so much the RX6700XT might have price dropped more.

So AMD is definitely taking advantage of this.
 
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So the next release is the 7600(XT) then.

Bit disappointed that the 7700/7800(XT)s aren't going to be up soon by the looks of things. Plenty of 6*** stock to shift first.
 
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People still think Nvidia will price accordingly to AMD are smoking something.

Nvidia will only react to it's own investment reports.

Nvidia priced their GPUs to based on what people spent before and people have shown their cards to what they have access to.

What Nvidia fan boys need to blame are the Nvidia buyers that buy inflated prices in the first place.

AMD are no angels in pricing as it seems that were not expecting the demand to die fast as it did.
 
So the next release is the 7600(XT) then.

Bit disappointed that the 7700/7800(XT)s aren't going to be up soon by the looks of things. Plenty of 6*** stock to shift first.

That is probably the reason.

The 7800xt will probably sit around 6900xt/6950xt performance, so they likely want to shift as many of them in that £500 - £600 price point first (hence why we have seen 6950's drop to close to £600 i guess - and they have been selling at that price).
 
So the next release is the 7600(XT) then.

Bit disappointed that the 7700/7800(XT)s aren't going to be up soon by the looks of things. Plenty of 6*** stock to shift first.
Anyone considered AMD might call the 7800XT the 7600XT and price accordingly? Undercut Nvidia with something much faster and just skip the 7700XT & 7800XT?
 
Anyone considered AMD might call the 7800XT the 7600XT and price accordingly? Undercut Nvidia with something much faster and just skip the 7700XT & 7800XT?
Doubtful. Doesn't seem to play into their intended strategy at the moment... although their strategy has resulted in some sizeable price cuts lately so I do see where you're coming from!

If they do do that though I think we can expect them to re-release the exact same card as the 8600 XT and maybe even the 9600 XT. :cry:
 
Anyone considered AMD might call the 7800XT the 7600XT and price accordingly? Undercut Nvidia with something much faster and just skip the 7700XT & 7800XT?
They are waiting to see how to price these.

It's obviously they want to price high but they want to move stock.

Part of me does think AMD will abandon the desktop 7000 after the 7600 cards as it's likely those were requested by OEMs and AMD don't want a court case because they cease supply of promised stock
 
People still think Nvidia will price accordingly to AMD are smoking something.

Nvidia will only react to it's own investment reports.

Nvidia priced their GPUs to based on what people spent before and people have shown their cards to what they have access to.

What Nvidia fan boys need to blame are the Nvidia buyers that buy inflated prices in the first place.

AMD are no angels in pricing as it seems that were not expecting the demand to die fast as it did.
Not disagreeing, Nvidia shape the market. It’s on AMD to respond, and given the markup per wafer on TSMC they make more money elsewhere so don’t really give a monkeys. Both companies are in the business of producing money bags for their leadership team and shareholders to lay on. The 4090 at this point is just an ego trip for Jensen to have the fastest consumer card and Radeons are just a way to monetise R&D for the server market.

Arc is all about keeping CPUs relevant and to stop bleeding marketshare in the server space.
 
AMD gets the blame for everyones pricing! :cry:

Yeah no.
It gets the blame just as much as Nvidia does.
@Calin Banc why should AMD sell cheap so you can buy Nvidia GPU's cheap? It doesn't work anyway, its on you mate.
If you've made it about me, I buy what offers the best in terms of performance, features and price. Last time it was Nvidia, like it was for you as well, doesn't mean it will still be the green team moving forward.
 
So the next release is the 7600(XT) then.

Bit disappointed that the 7700/7800(XT)s aren't going to be up soon by the looks of things. Plenty of 6*** stock to shift first.

My main concern is with how crap the RTX4060 and RTX4060TI might be. So the RTX4060 might be an RTX3060TI for £350 and the RTX4060TI might be an RTX3070 for £450.

The RX6650XT is within 10% of an RTX3060TI at 1080p and it's under £300 now at several retailers:

So even if we factor in RDNA3 improvements and higher clockspeeds,I could see the RX7600XT being slightly better than an RTX3060TI in rasterised,and AMD then will price it at £299.99! Then they can advertise it's basicially an RX6700XT 8GB at "only" £300 and have undercut the RTX4060 8GB! :rolleyes:
 
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The RTX4080 launched at $1200 and the RX7900XTX at $1000,yet Nvidia despite costing 20% more in the US did nothing. The 7900XT price was useless but it launched before the RTX4070TI which technically undercut it by $100 but street pricing is similar because AMD dropped the pricing.

Also the RX6900XT and RX6800XT prices dropped a lot. Plenty of deals were there for RX6900XT cards around £600 to £700 and RX6800XT cards were under £600 at a few retailers. In the US the AMD cards dropped even lower and Nvidia did nothing for months. RX6800 series cards for the price of an RTX3070.

Nvidia didn't reduce any of their Ampere equivalents and it appears Nvidia just price matched what AMD basically had with a slight discount after many months with the RTX4070.

The RX6650XT is priced at the same level as the RTX3050 and the RTX3060 is priced the same as the RX6700XT at most retailers. AMD is offering 35% to 50% more performance at the lower tiers.

So looking at the market it appears AMD despite undercutting Nvidia many price points for the last six months seems to not do much this generation. AMD also seems more likely to reduce pricing too.

So most of the blame is down to Nvidia this generation refusing to drop Ampere pricing. It meant less pressure on AMD. AMD did drop the RX6900XT/RX6950XT pricing by about 30% to 40% months ago. The RX6600/RX6650XT/RX6700XT prices are £100 less now.

What annoys me is that because rubbish like the RTX3050 and RTX3060 costs so much the RX6700XT might have price dropped more.

So AMD is definitely taking advantage of this.
7900xtx could be considered half decent only when you compare it with badly priced cards such as : 6900/6950 or 4080 (I'm talking about launch MSRP).

20% more for 4080 could still be considered ok since it was much faster in RT and had better upscaling tech. So... 7900xtx isn't really a better option.

7900xt was disliked thoroughly.

But at least Nvidia cancelled the 4080 12gb and launched it as 4070ti so that's that.

6900/6950 reduction felt big only because it was priced badly to beging with (as AMD's halo cards). 6800xt's only advantage is 4 extra gb vram vs 4070.

Other weaker cards could be better if you're not interested in RT, otherwise is bad all-around and I don't know how well will age.
 
7900xtx could be considered half decent only when you compare it with badly priced cards such as : 6900/6950 or 4080 (I'm talking about launch MSRP).

20% more for 4080 could still be considered ok since it was much faster in RT and had better upscaling tech. So... 7900xtx isn't really a better option.

7900xt was disliked thoroughly.

But at least Nvidia cancelled the 4080 12gb and launched it as 4070ti so that's that.

6900/6950 reduction felt big only because it was priced badly to beging with (as AMD's halo cards). 6800xt's only advantage is 4 extra gb vram vs 4070.

Other weaker cards could be better if you're not interested in RT, otherwise is bad all-around and I don't know how well will age.

The problem is again Nvidia decided to set the price. It didn't reduce Ampere at all,which is where this all started. Basically,most of my mates are normal gamers who buy sub £500 cards. Of the gamers I know,the highest end dGPU I know people having is an RTX3080(might know someone with an RX6800 series card),and those were part of prebuilt systems. Most of the people I know have RX6600 series or RTX3060/RTX3070 series dGPUs or that sort of level of dGPUs.

I have not see a single one of them recommend Nvidia cards as upgrades in the last couple of months. The only people I know who are "buying" them are those getting them in laptops and some prebuilt systems and I have seen RTX3060 based laptops going for as low as £700. It's quite clear,Nvidia is not price reducing for retail but PC makers. So that is where the "cheap" Ampere cards are going! :(

This is how bad the Nvidia stack is now and it has been the case for 6 months at least IIRC. The RX6650XT I can find now for £275:

It's 56% faster than an RTX3050 and 14% faster than an RTX3060 12GB and the speed of your RTX2080 8GB. The RTX3060 is nearly £50 more expensive.But even with RT,the RX6650XT/A750 are just faster:

In Fortnite with RT on,the RX6600XT(not the RX6650XT) is 40% faster and gets over 60FPS. So that is solid UE5 performance. In Cyberpunk 2077 both cannot handle Ultra RT. But at medium the RX6600XT is 10% faster and at low is 40% faster,where again it can get over 60FPS. The A750 is faster than both and cheaper. The A750 has quite strong RT performance for a cheap card.

This is what Nvidia is releasing in the sub £300 price range:

A 6GB VRAM card. Even if it hits RTX3060 level performance,its not going to be any better in rasterised performance. Plus even if can be better in RT,6GB VRAM will be a bigger problem than 8GB. The RX6600/A750 8GB can be had for almost £200 and undercut most RTX3050 cards. The RTX3050 is not even better in RT for the most part when compared to an RX6650XT/A750.

Now look at the RTX3060 which is more competitive. But again the issue is price and the RX6700XT which costs a bit more. It has been as "low" as £330,and frequently is around £350. The RX6700 non-XT even dipped below £300 last year IIRC.It's 36% faster in rasterised at 1080p. Its only a few percent slower than an RTX2080TI in rasterised.

The RTX3060 vs RX6700XT RT performance is closer:

The RX6700XT is 20% to 27% faster in Fortnite with RT on. In Cyberpunk 2077 at RT low the RX6700XT is 20% faster,at RT medium they have the same performance,and at Ultra the RTX3060 pushes ahead,but it's the difference between 28FPS and 32FPS.

What is Nvidia replacing the RTX3060 12GB with? An 8GB RTX4060. Again at best it might be an RX6700XT in rasterised,with 4GB less VRAM and better RT performance.

Basically if the RX7700XT ends up being an overclocked RDNA3 clone of the RX6700XT,at the same price,it might be enough to be better.

This is absolutely ridiculous for normal gamers. Wait for a new generation,and its pretty much the same as what you could get since last year!
 
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My main concern is with how crap the RTX4060 and RTX4060TI might be. So the RTX4060 might be an RTX3060TI for £350 and the RTX4060TI might be an RTX3070 for £450.

The RX6650XT is within 10% of an RTX3060TI at 1080p and it's under £300 now at several retailers:

So even if we factor in RDNA3 improvements and higher clockspeeds,I could see the RX7600XT being slightly better than an RTX3060TI in rasterised,and AMD then will price it at £299.99! Then they can advertise it's basicially an RX6700XT 8GB at "only" £300 and have undercut the RTX4060 8GB! :rolleyes:

Looks like I was right:


The RX7600XT is an RX6700XT 8GB.So RTX4050 6GB vs RX7600XT! :(
 
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MLID leaked that AMD is working on a new APU called Halo Point which has 16 Zen5 CPU cores and 40 refreshed rdna3 GPU cores.

Unfortunately it's not coming to PC so don't get your hopes up

The chip package is too damn large to fit on AM5, so once again these cool APUs will be exclusive to laptops, handhelds, cars, consoles etc - anything that can use a custom motherboard


There is of course still some chance that an OEM such as Dell could decide to create a custom board for this APU and then sell it as an AIO mini PC, but the chance is still small and they would charge a ridiculous amount for it making it not worth itn

 
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RX7600XT launching on May 24th:

Looks like it will be an RX6700XT 8GB at best.
 
MLID leaked that AMD is working on a new APU called Halo Point which has 16 Zen5 CPU cores and 40 refreshed rdna3 GPU cores.

Unfortunately it's not coming to PC so don't get your hopes up

The chip package is too damn large to fit on AM5, so once again these cool APUs will be exclusive to laptops, handhelds, cars, consoles etc - anything that can use a custom motherboard


There is of course still some chance that an OEM such as Dell could decide to create a custom board for this APU and then sell it as an AIO mini PC, but the chance is still small and they would charge a ridiculous amount for it making it not worth itn

I can see dell doing it through Alienware.

As much grief as they get, that were among the early brands that pushed things to be gaming orientated.


Would be ace for them to do something with the APU but it's likely Lenevo that gets it as they seem to be in a roll with obtaining design wins from AMD
 
RX7600XT launching on May 24th:

Looks like it will be an RX6700XT 8GB at best.
I am disappoint.

I can see why there's no 7700/7800 yet but still.
 
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