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Do AMD provide any benefit to the retail GPU segment.

They could go further, bring back the old style reference blower cooler :cry:



Tahiti did clock nicely with some good cooling.
Or they could decide to ignore the power limits and bring a massively overpowered GPU with its own PSU like the good old days:

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Or they could decide to ignore the power limits and bring a massively overpowered GPU with its own PSU like the good old days:

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What a thing that is..... i miss those days, mad scientists creating alsorts of mad stuff because why not? licking windows is fun.... boop beep, bub blub blub weeeoooo wayhay!!!!!!
 
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What a thing that is..... i miss those days, mad scientists creating alsorts of mad stuff because why not? licking windows is fun.... boop beep, bub blub blub weeeoooo wayhay!!!!!!
I miss the end of 20th century, it was a more experimental age with bright hopes for the future... Today everything is so streamlined and nobody is betting on new stuff.
 
I miss the end of 20th century, it was a more experimental age with bright hopes for the future... Today everything is so streamlined and nobody is betting on new stuff.
Fewer, larger companies controlling markets. May be time for regulations to define a minimum number of competitors to prevent one just buying all the competition up? It exists in theory but in practice it doesn't seem to be working, especially when we get into "too big to fail" territory.
 
Fewer, larger companies controlling markets. May be time for regulations to define a minimum number of competitors to prevent one just buying all the competition up? It exists in theory but in practice it doesn't seem to be working, especially when we get into "too big to fail" territory.
Well, the current high margins brought Intel to compete along with a few new Chinese players using older or mobile IP.
Among the old ones, Matrox seems to be quietly testing the waters, ironically as Intel AIB this time and on niche products.
 
I miss the end of 20th century, it was a more experimental age with bright hopes for the future... Today everything is so streamlined and nobody is betting on new stuff.

Safe bets to keep shareholders happy.

Fewer, larger companies controlling markets. May be time for regulations to define a minimum number of competitors to prevent one just buying all the competition up? It exists in theory but in practice it doesn't seem to be working, especially when we get into "too big to fail" territory.

Nah, the reason for that has nothing to do with shareholders or any of it. It's simply a matter of progress. In the beginning there were plenty of roads to travel on, plenty of things to discover & for the most part there was a lot of low hanging fruit to pick. As time goes on & the industry develops then naturally the existing avenues get exhausted so what we're left with are the "optimal" solutions/paths, so the extent to which you can deviate from it is much lesser than what it was 10-20 years ago. Btw you can see this happen in most industries, but even in games in terms of 'what's the meta' etc.

It's just a natural cycle.
 
Nah, the reason for that has nothing to do with shareholders or any of it. It's simply a matter of progress. In the beginning there were plenty of roads to travel on, plenty of things to discover & for the most part there was a lot of low hanging fruit to pick. As time goes on & the industry develops then naturally the existing avenues get exhausted so what we're left with are the "optimal" solutions/paths, so the extent to which you can deviate from it is much lesser than what it was 10-20 years ago. Btw you can see this happen in most industries, but even in games in terms of 'what's the meta' etc.

It's just a natural cycle.
Well, I'm still hoping in a voxel renaissance somewhere, if there is something games need is more interactivity.
 
Nah, the reason for that has nothing to do with shareholders or any of it. It's simply a matter of progress. In the beginning there were plenty of roads to travel on, plenty of things to discover & for the most part there was a lot of low hanging fruit to pick. As time goes on & the industry develops then naturally the existing avenues get exhausted so what we're left with are the "optimal" solutions/paths, so the extent to which you can deviate from it is much lesser than what it was 10-20 years ago. Btw you can see this happen in most industries, but even in games in terms of 'what's the meta' etc.

It's just a natural cycle.
Games (just like movies, books, music, etc.), follow a pattern of what's popular and simple to do. Rinse and repeat. There's been little advancement to be had, more like dumbing down and a few steps back. Hardware is different, is much more fixed indeed.
 
Nah, the reason for that has nothing to do with shareholders or any of it. It's simply a matter of progress. In the beginning there were plenty of roads to travel on, plenty of things to discover & for the most part there was a lot of low hanging fruit to pick. As time goes on & the industry develops then naturally the existing avenues get exhausted so what we're left with are the "optimal" solutions/paths, so the extent to which you can deviate from it is much lesser than what it was 10-20 years ago. Btw you can see this happen in most industries, but even in games in terms of 'what's the meta' etc.

It's just a natural cycle.
Everything is patented up the wazoo, making new entrants next to impossible, anyhow. The first thing any potential new entrant would have to do is license thousands of IP from AMD or whomever.

Otherwise as soon as they created any kind of GPU they'd be sued into oblivion.
 
Everything is patented up the wazoo, making new entrants next to impossible, anyhow. The first thing any potential new entrant would have to do is license thousands of IP from AMD or whomever.

Otherwise as soon as they created any kind of GPU they'd be sued into oblivion.
Looks like your predictions of a 50 series card being sold for lots of money turned out to be true!
 
Everything is patented up the wazoo, making new entrants next to impossible, anyhow. The first thing any potential new entrant would have to do is license thousands of IP from AMD or whomever.

Otherwise as soon as they created any kind of GPU they'd be sued into oblivion.
Yes, there is only a handful of companies that have any chance of making a GPU and most are either old ones who moved out of the market or those who purchased some older GPU IP.
 
Do you think that if there wasn't AMD, the 4090 would cost 40K USD or more ?
Nvidia wouldn't have bothered to make a 4090 for the consumer sector.
Depending on the moment AMD stopped being a competitor you'd get yearly 5-10% improvements with a +$50/$100 extra price on whatever flagship was available.

So if today AMD went bust, next gen you'd get very mild upgrades for slightly higher prices, the trick is that in the meantime costs would drop for them so increasing margins would still come.
Think pre-zen Intel and you'll get what I mean.
 
Nvidia wouldn't have bothered to make a 4090 for the consumer sector.
Depending on the moment AMD stopped being a competitor you'd get yearly 5-10% improvements with a +$50/$100 extra price on whatever flagship was available.

So if today AMD went bust, next gen you'd get very mild upgrades for slightly higher prices, the trick is that in the meantime costs would drop for them so increasing margins would still come.
Think pre-zen Intel and you'll get what I mean.
I don't know about others, but I wasn't too sad about Intel not pushing things forward that much when AMD was basically out. It meant games had to work with what was on the market, there wasn't anything to throw at the software to make it work (like you have now double digit increases). That meant fewer upgrades as upgrading wouldn't mean much. So, if you apply the same logic to GPUs', it would mean fewer upgrades, better optimized games (or at least you knew there isn't anything better, but suck it up and play it how it plays), and a sort of stagnation. Can be good, can be bad...

Prices will go up only so far; as you can see with current gen, after a threshold they become dust gatherers. AMD and nVIDIA, in one quick swoop, risen the prices to the top the market can take. Who cares if they make the 5060ti $1000, almost no one will buy it.

The principle of competition, of free market and advancements due to said competition has been left out. Gone. Puff!
 
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